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11 Jun 2009, 6:55 pm

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I see a diference, religions claim morality, like the christains and are not intent on money, CO$ is only about money, and harasses anymore who threatens their cash flow.

You mean like the morality of the crusades? I'm not intending to attack religion as a whole, or personal religion here. If someone gets something out of believing in a higher power, if their experience in life is improved, then i encourage people to explore themselves spiritually. But organised religion is always about money or power.

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Sure - I am not defending Scientology in any way - my point of disagreement was with the idea that every Christian/Jewish/Islamic (or other religious group) are only a money making conspiracy. Some are, some aren't.

It depends on the individuals involved, there are money making schemes in each religion, there are also altruistic people helping orphans in each religion.

My one and only real critisism of scientology would be their crusade against medications used in mental health, since this appears to be an all emcompassing belief of the church, and it negatively impacts peoples lives (Not to mention is shows a horrible lack of insight).

the church also
violates labor laws
violates wage laws
forces abortions in the Sea Org
creates smear campigns for its critics (for laughs, watch the "anonymous" bomb threat message and compare it the declaration of war one.)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0ZFow_9vsg[/youtube]


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11 Jun 2009, 8:09 pm

Contrary to what most people think, it was actually that cheap Flav-r-Aid crap rather than Kool-Aid they drank at Jonestown.



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11 Jun 2009, 8:53 pm

If it wasn't for scientology and its crazy followers I wouldn't have this awesome screen name.


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11 Jun 2009, 11:41 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pJLKZsBVd4&feature=related[/youtube]


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11 Jun 2009, 11:55 pm

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12 Jun 2009, 1:58 pm

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As critical of Christianity as I am, I never heard of a Christian church requiring you to pay to belong - or not teaching members everything until they shell out big bucks.

Churches are tax-exempt in many countries, and they have significant income. Just because some religions have changed their money-generation to better alternative's, it doesn't mean they never required money from their communities in the past.

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okay, reality check, the book, dianetics, was meant to be a pyschology self help book but the APA said hold on Hubbard, you aren't a psychitrist, hell, you never got a real degree from a college! Also, its total bunk and if you publish it, then you are getting sued and going to jail. Hubbard got total butthurt and renamed it a religious text and being a total narcissistic bastard, he said Psychology was evil because it called him out. Also, to even see if they want you, you have to shell out $2000 just to hold a volt meter while they interrogate you about your deepest secrets, which are used against you if you try to leave.

I'm not denying it's a bunch of crap, i'm just saying that from an agnostic's point of veiw, the rest of them are also complete crap. People clearly get something out of scientology, which is what religion is all about right?

I see a diference, religions claim morality, like the christains and are not intent on money, CO$ is only about money, and harasses anymore who threatens their cash flow.


Which is exactly how the Project Chanology came in the picture. To bring out the true Cult of Greed and Power



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12 Jun 2009, 2:22 pm

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As critical of Christianity as I am, I never heard of a Christian church requiring you to pay to belong - or not teaching members everything until they shell out big bucks.

Churches are tax-exempt in many countries, and they have significant income. Just because some religions have changed their money-generation to better alternative's, it doesn't mean they never required money from their communities in the past.

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okay, reality check, the book, dianetics, was meant to be a pyschology self help book but the APA said hold on Hubbard, you aren't a psychitrist, hell, you never got a real degree from a college! Also, its total bunk and if you publish it, then you are getting sued and going to jail. Hubbard got total butthurt and renamed it a religious text and being a total narcissistic bastard, he said Psychology was evil because it called him out. Also, to even see if they want you, you have to shell out $2000 just to hold a volt meter while they interrogate you about your deepest secrets, which are used against you if you try to leave.

I'm not denying it's a bunch of crap, i'm just saying that from an agnostic's point of veiw, the rest of them are also complete crap. People clearly get something out of scientology, which is what religion is all about right?

I see a diference, religions claim morality, like the christains and are not intent on money, CO$ is only about money, and harasses anymore who threatens their cash flow.

ah, they took down the vids, interesting indeed! second, the reason it got started was because COS tried to f**k with our internets! they tried to censor the web itself and that got anonymous totally butthurt and said No U! and we swung our b& hammer without mercy!
Which is exactly how the Project Chanology came in the picture. To bring out the true Cult of Greed and Power


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12 Jun 2009, 2:37 pm

Much as I hate Scientology I can't support the thugs from Anonymous. They've harassed people in the past - to the point they commited suicide and their only reaction was "lulz." They also hacked a board for people with epilepsy to make a rapidly flashing image in order to try to induce seizures. If they didn't invent the term, that group was at least one of the biggest spreaders of the terms "asspies" and "assburgers" and the claims that AS is a "fake disorder."



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12 Jun 2009, 2:48 pm

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Much as I hate Scientology I can't support the thugs from Anonymous. They've harassed people in the past - to the point they commited suicide and their only reaction was "lulz." They also hacked a board for people with epilepsy to make a rapidly flashing image in order to try to induce seizures. If they didn't invent the term, that group was at least one of the biggest spreaders of the terms "asspies" and "assburgers" and the claims that AS is a "fake disorder."

okay, let me clear this up, Anonymous is leaderless, anyone can do anything in its name. The epilepsy thing was done by a hacker named weevil for lulz and to point out a flaw. 2. the scientology anons are different then 4chan anons, in fact, they aren't even on speaking terms atm. 3. In the beginning, they were linked until the old bearded wise man told them to stfu and take it srsly! that was where anon and Anonymous parted ways, due to Srs Bizniss! and 4chan spreads everything, like lolcats, rickrolling and chocolate rain.


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12 Jun 2009, 8:34 pm

Why do people keep referring to the Epilepsy board prank as "hacking"? It was an animated gif file posted to a forum not unlike this one, there was as much hacking done in that incident as I am doing by typing this message.

Anonymous is not even a group, it's anyone who posts to a forum without registering a name. If you leave a message on the "leave a comment" section of a news article and you don't leave your name, it's going to automatically refer to you as an "anonymous poster", that's what it means, the literal sense of the term anonymous.



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12 Jun 2009, 8:47 pm

I still think the government should trace the ips and send everyone who's a part of that 4chan anon group to prison for the rest of their lives for the way they harass people.



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12 Jun 2009, 8:48 pm

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Why do people keep referring to the Epilepsy board prank as "hacking"? It was an animated gif file posted to a forum not unlike this one, there was as much hacking done in that incident as I am doing by typing this message.

Anonymous is not even a group, it's anyone who posts to a forum without registering a name. If you leave a message on the "leave a comment" section of a news article and you don't leave your name, it's going to automatically refer to you as an "anonymous poster", that's what it means, the literal sense of the term anonymous.

close, Anonymous is a group, however the prank was done by one person, weevil, its covered in the wired magizine on trolling.


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13 Jun 2009, 6:18 am

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Why do people keep referring to the Epilepsy board prank

Why are you referring to it as a prank? From what i've read of it in this post, it's sounding awfully like assault. The idiot who posted it should recieve jail time.



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13 Jun 2009, 6:30 am

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Why do people keep referring to the Epilepsy board prank

Why are you referring to it as a prank? From what i've read of it in this post, it's sounding awfully like assault. The idiot who posted it should recieve jail time.


Well, why are you taking my post out of context and completely ignoring the entire point of the post by calling on grammatical semantics?



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13 Jun 2009, 6:32 am

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I still think the government should trace the ips and send everyone who's a part of that 4chan anon group to prison for the rest of their lives for the way they harass people.


And I think you should re-read the first amendment of our constitution.