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waltur
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23 Jun 2009, 2:34 pm

your best bet for an aspie society is a space ship.



some day, we'll get off this rock. that or die. we don't have much choice in the matter.

when the technology to truly leave this planet comes, we will have much much much more territory. there will be heinously evil civilizations of torture and depravity. there will be altruistic societies with peace and justice for all. there will be many in between.

i fear that i will never see this time but i mean it when i say it's your best bet.



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23 Jun 2009, 3:26 pm

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when the technology to truly leave this planet comes, we will have much much much more territory. there will be heinously evil civilizations of torture and depravity. there will be altruistic societies with peace and justice for all. there will be many in between.


Meanwhile, we'll be counting asteroids and lining them up according to size. Because it feels right.


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23 Jun 2009, 4:02 pm

Aspie Nation. Too small to be a republic and too large to be an insane asylum.

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23 Jun 2009, 6:50 pm

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Aspie Nation. Too small to be a republic and too large to be an insane asylum.


"Too small to be a republic"? One of the oldest and smallest sovereign nations worldwide with a population 30'000 is in fact a republic: The Most Serene Republic of San Marino.

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24 Jun 2009, 6:54 am

Last time I checked, it had a population of 25,000.

I don't see any real reson why a nation can't go any smaller. Conceivably, one person could declare independence. They'd have tom import a lot, though, if they want a high standard of living...



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28 Jun 2009, 6:29 pm

Hmmm I can just see it now; a colony made up of self absorbed people who avoid eye contact, misinterpret what is being said, cannot read facial expressions, have difficulty working well in groups and are extremely argumentative, not forgetting the often associated traits like OCD, PDD, ADD etc. Wow this colony is really gonna thrive!! To cap it all off you want this group of people that also enjoy isolation to live together on boats. What a recipe for one huge collective meltdown

I suspect that the OP may be a eugenicist.


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28 Jun 2009, 6:37 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
Hmmm I can just see it now; a colony of people that avoid eye contact, misinterpret what is bing said, cannot read facial expressions, have difficulty working well in groups, are extremely argumentative, Wow this colony is really gonna thrive, and to cap it all off you want a group of people that enjoy isolation to live together on boats. What a recipe for one huge collective meltdown

It is like in the Brave New World, where a bunch from the alpha plus class where tasked to make a colony. :lol:


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28 Jun 2009, 7:23 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
Hmmm I can just see it now; a colony made up of self absorbed people who avoid eye contact, misinterpret what is being said, cannot read facial expressions, have difficulty working well in groups and are extremely argumentative, not forgetting the often associated traits like OCD, PDD, ADD etc. Wow this colony is really gonna thrive!! To cap it all off you want this group of people that also enjoy isolation to live together on boats. What a recipe for one huge collective meltdown.


Yeah, the whole "boats" idea was just a weeny bit short sighted :lol: (I find the whole topic so ridiculous it's hilarious).


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29 Jun 2009, 3:37 pm

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The concept of running away from general society to create a special social environment is something of an indication of an admittance that AS people are basically inferior and cannot compete within normal contexts. Why accept that?


No it's saying they're tired of NT BS and sent their own society. Granted a better idea is to make an AS ghetto in larger cities. You can gentrify the black and hispanic ghettos....but that results in kicking others out. But they have their own neighborhoods. lol screw 'em :P

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Meanwhile, we'll be counting asteroids and lining them up according to size. Because it feels right.


...and dropping them on the NT societies of Earth when the time for independence comes because we don't want to use O'Neill cylinders... (Gundam ;)

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To cap it all off you want this group of people that also enjoy isolation to live together on boats.


What's wrong with that? It won't be clustered up and all that. Sealand and the Oceanian projects had them move barges or whatnot together and the thing was built in places where there were rarely hurricanes, etc.


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05 Jul 2009, 10:47 am

There's been discussion of an Aspie 'Nation' in the AS/NT hatred thread. Perhaps one of our mods can merge all appropriate posts together?

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Hmmm I can just see it now; a colony made up of self absorbed people who avoid eye contact,

Self absorbed? As in... only caring about themselves? That is part of humanity as a whole. No society can eliminate it, and Aspies aren't more likely to be self aborbed than NTs.

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who avoid eye contact,

No need for eye contact to communicate.

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misinterpret what is being said

Really? I was under the impression that problem only came up when what someone is saying has multiple interpretations. It's less likely to occur in an Aspie Nation.

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cannot read facial expressions,

If it's mainly Aspie, then people wn't rely on facial expressions, so there's no problem there.



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03 Aug 2009, 10:17 pm

I would like to preface this post my stating that I do not believe that I am engaged in "necromancy" for a month old thread. I was unaware this thread existed, since most "aspie community" discussions have been on the general or members only forums.

The location of an aspie community has actually been the third biggest problem, far behind the second problem, how such a community should be governed, and the largest problem of all, how to support (finance) such an undertaking.

Obviously, from the fact that this discussion is taking place without any case studies, none of the concepts brought forth to date have had sufficient merit to rate actual construction.



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06 Aug 2009, 7:57 pm

Dussel wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Aspie Nation. Too small to be a republic and too large to be an insane asylum.


"Too small to be a republic"? One of the oldest and smallest sovereign nations worldwide with a population 30'000 is in fact a republic: The Most Serene Republic of San Marino.

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And for those who doubt continuity, I'd like to point San Marino is the oldest republic in the world, that is a country run by elected people.

Anyway, I believe an aspie nation could succeed. You only have to look at nation-states in Europe and in a lesser sense Asia. Hungarians live in Hungary, Slovaks in Slovakia, Slovenes in Slovenia, Macedonians in Macedonia, Poles in Poland, Germans in Germany, Italians in Italy and so on. If you want asians, Laotians in Laos, Vietnamese in Vietnam and the Khmers in Cambodia, most of these states have been at peace for the last 15 years, which is longer then the US is capable, lol

Personally, a society which is an aspie society would most likely be governed in a consenus democracy similiar to the system in place in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut Territories of Canada, and it would be a very strict merit society which would be very helpful in terms of soecioeconomic development. Goal oriented cultures are very much based on development, look at Singapore, South Korea, China and Japan.

An aspie nation would do well, if there were no territory issue..



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07 Aug 2009, 10:39 am

1. As suggested, start out as a commune.

2. As noted above, your male/female ratio will suck.

3. Can two aspies have a non-aspie child? If so, you will eventually have to deal with non-aspies in your midst, or impose some draconian rules.

4. Communes have been around long enough, I'm sure some one has written a book, "Starting a commune for dummies."

5. Perhaps you can solve the male/female ratio by making it a combination commune / cult. The cult members would be NT females who are indoctrinated to worship aspies. Then you solve the male/female ratio. Plus, you can seek status as a religion. So many things in the Bible are now viewed as metaphorical by Christians, we could claim that the second coming of Jesus, or the angels of vengeance from Revelations, is a metaphor for the coming of Aspies, who are a more angelic version of humanity (higher ethical standards, more honest, more intelligent, etc.) Maybe many Aspies rock or flap their hands because they are used to having angel's wings and it is a subconscious memory they are acting out. Anyway, the point is, an Aspie-based religion pretty much writes itself. If you want, I can help draft an Aspie bible. All I ask is a few of the hottest female cult members all for myself. I was also briefly in a cult, and know first-hand how to break down a person's psyche and turn them into a sheepish follower...in fact, I think my AS served as a secret defense, because ultimately the illogic of what was happening just got to be too much and I quit.



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07 Aug 2009, 10:45 am

frinj wrote:
5. Perhaps you can solve the male/female ratio by making it a combination commune / cult. The cult members would be NT females who are indoctrinated to worship aspies. Then you solve the male/female ratio. Plus, you can seek status as a religion. So many things in the Bible are now viewed as metaphorical by Christians, we could claim that the second coming of Jesus, or the angels of vengeance from Revelations, is a metaphor for the coming of Aspies, who are a more angelic version of humanity (higher ethical standards, more honest, more intelligent, etc.) Maybe many Aspies rock or flap their hands because they are used to having angel's wings and it is a subconscious memory they are acting out. Anyway, the point is, an Aspie-based religion pretty much writes itself. If you want, I can help draft an Aspie bible. All I ask is a few of the hottest female cult members all for myself. I was also briefly in a cult, and know first-hand how to break down a person's psyche and turn them into a sheepish follower...in fact, I think my AS served as a secret defense, because ultimately the illogic of what was happening just got to be too much and I quit.

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07 Aug 2009, 12:19 pm

frinj wrote:
5. Perhaps you can solve the male/female ratio by making it a combination commune / cult. The cult members would be NT females who are indoctrinated to worship aspies. Then you solve the male/female ratio. Plus, you can seek status as a religion. So many things in the Bible are now viewed as metaphorical by Christians, we could claim that the second coming of Jesus, or the angels of vengeance from Revelations, is a metaphor for the coming of Aspies, who are a more angelic version of humanity (higher ethical standards, more honest, more intelligent, etc.) Maybe many Aspies rock or flap their hands because they are used to having angel's wings and it is a subconscious memory they are acting out. Anyway, the point is, an Aspie-based religion pretty much writes itself. If you want, I can help draft an Aspie bible. All I ask is a few of the hottest female cult members all for myself. I was also briefly in a cult, and know first-hand how to break down a person's psyche and turn them into a sheepish follower...in fact, I think my AS served as a secret defense, because ultimately the illogic of what was happening just got to be too much and I quit.


This is way too over-the-top imho. Sociopathic, even.

My two cents on an Apsie-only society: It'd be creepy. Creepier than NT society. Especially for the women. No offense, my fellow Aspies, but as withdrawn and introverted as we generally are combined with our strange facial expression quirks (or lack thereof) and general sexual repression... yeah. I'd be more comfortable in NT society. As bad as I am at figuring out what other people are thinking\plotting, Aspies would be double-hard to read. If anything, I'd feel even more isolated and alone surrounded by people like me.

But I'm one of those Aspies that loves his NT brothers and sisters as much as everyone else. Yay for variation in allele frequency!



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14 Aug 2009, 2:59 am

ruveyn wrote:
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The forum is here.

I created the forum after reading Zyborgs Aspergianism thread. I'm not as radical as him, but I agree with some points: a nation composed mostly of Aspies would be a good thing. Why? Because it would allow the governemtn system to be geared towards Aspies, and not NTs. The cultural social stuff would be more straight forward. The people would reach emotional maturity slower, but when they do they'd have greater Empathy and ToM. This could allow us to act as an intermediary in conflicts around the world. Greater rationality would allow us to see solutions instead of problems.

It would be entirely voluntary. You don't have to live there if you don't want to, but my hope is that you would want to.


Dream on. And on what territory would this new nation be established. There are no longer any extensive habitable but unihabited areas left on the planet. Should Asperbonia be established on the anti Arctic continent, or perhaps in Tierra del Fuego after the Hotentots are driven away.

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It could be a floating nation. Otherwise called a micronation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation


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