21 Jul 2009, 4:05 pm
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
Thanks for all the help so far, guys. 
@makuranososhi - the problem isn't so much WHAT they are saying, it's that they're saying it at all. It's when we're in class and I'm just trying to get on with my work, they suddenly start having a go at me for no reason, so I get distracted from my work.
@makuranososhi - the problem isn't so much WHAT they are saying, it's that they're saying it at all. It's when we're in class and I'm just trying to get on with my work, they suddenly start having a go at me for no reason, so I get distracted from my work.
The thing you have to understand is that the Supreme Court has upheld that schools can restrict rights to a much greater degree than the government. If a student is at all disruptive to the learning process, it is likely that the school has the right to restrict that student's exercise of their rights that are causing the disruption.
Basically: If at all disruptive, freedom of speech ends the minute you touch foot to school grounds. There are a number of other rights that are not enforced on school property: The right to bear arms, for example, does not exist on school grounds in any way, shape, or form. You also are not protected (as much) from unlawful search and seizure. Speech is limited considerably on school grounds. Even political speech is not free from obscenity law on school grounds.
Anyone who has to invoke the First Amendment likely has no idea what they're talking about. It's most likely that they just opened a history book and said, "Whoa, look! This says we can say whatever we want!"
21 Jul 2009, 5:24 pm
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21 Jul 2009, 5:59 pm
Tim_Tex wrote:
It's like if you're not left-wing, socialist, or communist, people will label you as bigoted or intolerant.
Complications topic
Everyone has prejudices and intolerances. No one is perfect. I have ideas and opinions that I prefer, as we all do.
What separates a racist from a person who prefers one thing and/or another is that the racist is angry feels threatened by others and their views, and in this state of escalating paranoia believes There is no room in the racist's mind for debateor logic. the racist will not be convinced that the other has a right to different ideas/opinions. For instance I have a problem with holocaust deniers, not because they do not believe that the Holocaust took place (they can deny it all they want) but it is why they deny it. But I will not tell them they are wrong, because they are no willing to give up the reason why they deny in the first place.
Another example is someone who believes a certain ethnic group is dangerous, for whatever reason. The racist believes this group is really "out to get him". He will not listen or engage in dialogue with anyone from the group because he is already convinced that the ethnic group in question is dangerous and needs to be eradicated, by whatever means is necessary. Or certain fringe members from a certain ethnic group (who may themselves be racist) are characteristic of the whole group! the racist sees only the whole, and not the parts. he may have never met run of the mill members from that group. (I cannot say I like or hate all Mormons, as I have not met all. I have met a few, and each time the meeting was not satisfactory to me. However, I do not advocate destruction of this group. I am not a racist. I just ell them I am not interested. But this is the way I am. I expect them to treat me fairly, in the same way. But the racist is a separatist and will not even attempt to understand the other.)
The point is that honest dialogue is important to foster understanding and avoid racism. But I fear the racist, by his very behaviour and thinking, is not ready for this. The racist remains complicated, rigid, angry, and violence simmers just beneath the surface.
21 Jul 2009, 8:24 pm
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