I've noticed this among other autistics/non-autistics..Why?

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27 Jul 2009, 9:07 pm

I believe in Jesus and am a christian. I don't go to church though because mainly because of the people, they just seem fake. I like my sinner friends, lol.
But yeah I can't stand atheism, especially those that try to tell me God isn't real.

I'm a Pentecostal christian and I have experienced and talked with God, so I know he's real. That's all I'm going to say.


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27 Jul 2009, 9:10 pm

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I personally believe that all of us believe in whatever we are meant to believe in.. and some of us have to search in the dark areas within ourselves to find it. There was a point in my life where I became obsessed with goth and darkness. I suppose I still am in a sense, and I had just written a book about my life as well as the subject of past lives and reincarnation. It just got published but hasn't been released yet.



What's it called? Is it also about your life on the spectrum?



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27 Jul 2009, 9:18 pm

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What's it called? Is it also about your life on the spectrum?






It's called My Five Autobiographies. When it is coming closer to the time of the release I will talk more about it. And yes, my life on the spectrum is definitely added, as well as my son who is also under the spectrum.. and that stuff is just a fraction of the book, I have tonnes of issues lol.



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27 Jul 2009, 9:20 pm

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Okay, I'm going to ask this question, no matter how many insults are thrown at me. But, why are the majority of autistics/neurotypicals fascinated with witches, wicca, gothic stuff, and basically agnostic stuff? I am asking this question because, I'm curious. Isn't that a good enough reason? Plus, most of the offensive statements are mainly opinions. And I have learned that those who walk on a path without trusting God only dig themselves into a deep, dark "pit". And within that "pit", it can be filled with hurt such as; abuse from the past, lack of love from parents, teachers, trust from others. What I have experienced with one family member who is now saved, he was into the gothic lifestyle during his middle-school all the way through his high school years. His attitude was very dark. There are questions that I would like to ask those with an agnostic lifestyle. What made you turn away from God? Were you angry at Him, due to your parents? Diagnosis of Autism? Are you a neurotypical, perhaps? Too many family members? Death of someone? Not getting what you want in your life? Could you even be a "positive" agnostic? I am not wanting to preach to anyone. That is not my place, nor my specialty. Hence, I am not a pastor.


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27 Jul 2009, 9:23 pm

Goths are satanic lol



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27 Jul 2009, 9:29 pm

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What made you turn away from God?


Lack of evidence for his existence. I'm not discounting the possibility of his existence (lack of evidence for something is not evidence of a lack of something), but I'm not about to go saying that something definitely exists, when I have no proof of such.

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Were you angry at Him, due to your parents?


If my parents do things that make me angry, I get angry with them.

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Too many family members?


Yes, but I just avoid family gatherings. Even if I had to go, losing my faith over them would have been something of an overreaction.

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Death of someone?


People who I know have been dying since I was 4. I'm very, very used to it.

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Not getting what you want in your life?


Awww... poor little me... just like everyone else who's ever lived, I can't have everything that I want. This means that God is cruel and heartless and that he doesn't exist.

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Could you even be a "positive" agnostic?


Yes, just the same as the possibility of depressed Christians. I don't see what one's religion, or lack thereof, has to do with temperament.



Now, as for my agnostic lifestyle which is leading me into a pit of darkness:
Today, I woke up. I went to greet the dog. After that, I had breakfast, which was raisin toast and a cup of tea, and was delicious, although it did give me strange feelings of hopelessness. What's the point of existing in a universe with raisin toast? *sobs* Then I changed from my pyjamas into clothes that are acceptable to wear in public. Currently, I am sitting at my computer, weeping uncontrollably at the unfairness of a Godless life in which I am forced to use a very nice computer to connect to the internet while there are children in Africa who don't even have anything that can run DOS. This afternoon, I am going to go and teach children how to burn their pastor at the stake and partake in Satanic ritua- uh... I mean... teach children how to play music. Possibly I will be despairing while doing this.
Yes, my life is awful and hopeless.

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27 Jul 2009, 9:43 pm

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Some religions teach racism, such as Mormonism, who believed that the darker your skin, the more evil your character.


Yea.. I got into a huge fight with my ex-friend's mormon boyfriend about that one.. Which is why she's no longer my friend. (Apparently I was supposed to politely derail his racist BS.. as though there's any way to stop those obnoxious rants he goes on.)


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I wanted to tell you that even if you refuse God's love, God is within you, even if you don't want it right now. Smile He is with you, even though your heart is filled with disgust and hatred towards Him. And, even if years down the road, you still hate Christians, because a "preppy" Christian has spat some Bible verses in your face, Jesus is still by your side.

I believe you when you say you don't want to offend anyone, so it saddens me that you don't realise how condescending and insulting you come across. This kind of attitude and that of atheists who see all religious people as superstitious ignorants are the two faces of the same coin. The ugly coin of intolerance and lack of respect.


To a certain extent she's right, though. A lot of people write off Christianity because they've had contact with nasty, bigoted people who called themselves Christian, so they assume that all Christians are hypocrites who don't practice what they preach. I think both religious and non-religious people are guilty of stereotyping each other. So while the way she put that was kinda offensive to a lot of people, she did have a point about why many people dismiss religion. Is there anyone here who has never pissed anybody off by phrasing something offensively?

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Here’s my take on it all:

I believe that the universe is an algorithm that God wrote at the beginning. We’re just too stupid to see it.


Similar to my view.
My AP biology teacher ended most exciting explanations with "Isn't that amazing?! God must have gone to Villanova!"

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I am a Lutheran (ELCA), about as laid-back and open-minded as one can get in the Christian world (except for maybe the Episcopal Church and the Unitarians).


Erm, sorry to nitpick, but Unitarians are not Christian at all (they believe that God is love, and other than that it doesn't matter what you believe.) and the American Episcopalian church may or may not be Christian, depending on who you ask. (Apparently the American bishop said that Jesus might not be God.. It was a big scandal that lead some churches to split away)



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27 Jul 2009, 10:33 pm

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I wanted to tell you that even if you refuse God's love, God is within you, even if you don't want it right now. Smile He is with you, even though your heart is filled with disgust and hatred towards Him. And, even if years down the road, you still hate Christians, because a "preppy" Christian has spat some Bible verses in your face, Jesus is still by your side.

I believe you when you say you don't want to offend anyone, so it saddens me that you don't realise how condescending and insulting you come across. This kind of attitude and that of atheists who see all religious people as superstitious ignorants are the two faces of the same coin. The ugly coin of intolerance and lack of respect.


To a certain extent she's right, though. A lot of people write off Christianity because they've had contact with nasty, bigoted people who called themselves Christian, so they assume that all Christians are hypocrites who don't practice what they preach. I think both religious and non-religious people are guilty of stereotyping each other. So while the way she put that was kinda offensive to a lot of people, she did have a point about why many people dismiss religion. Is there anyone here who has never pissed anybody off by phrasing something offensively?



IHO intolerance should not be an attribute of a church built around forgiveness...

Deciding you don't believe in God because you met some nasty Christians seems awfully shallow to me - although it probably happens. Surely someone who wants to be taken seriously would have more valid reasons, otherwise we would end up hating everything...

I was bothered by the assumptions made - I think each of us has their own unique path towards balance and fulfilment and I'm tired of people thinking their way is the only one for everybody, that a different belief or view makes you ignorant, misguided or hateful - and in some cases even trying to force you onto the "right path". This is common practice in a lot of areas - religion, politics, alternative lifestyles, racial issues and so on.

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27 Jul 2009, 10:42 pm

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I believe in Jesus and am a christian. I don't go to church though because mainly because of the people, they just seem fake. I like my sinner friends, lol.
But yeah I can't stand atheism, especially those that try to tell me God isn't real.

I'm a Pentecostal christian and I have experienced and talked with God, so I know he's real. That's all I'm going to say.


Religion is at its best when it's a one-to-one experience.

Somehow seeing a whole lot of "fake" people parroting ones own religious beliefs doesn't make me feel better.

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(b) You're accepting of others who either found a different place, or haven't found a place yet.



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28 Jul 2009, 12:08 am

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It pains me to see that you have not been touched by his noodley appendage yet :(

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28 Jul 2009, 12:14 am

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Okay, I'm going to ask this question, no matter how many insults are thrown at me. But, why are the majority of autistics/neurotypicals fascinated with witches, wicca, gothic stuff, and basically agnostic stuff? I am asking this question because, I'm curious. Isn't that a good enough reason? Plus, most of the offensive statements are mainly opinions. And I have learned that those who walk on a path without trusting God only dig themselves into a deep, dark "pit". And within that "pit", it can be filled with hurt such as; abuse from the past, lack of love from parents, teachers, trust from others. What I have experienced with one family member who is now saved, he was into the gothic lifestyle during his middle-school all the way through his high school years. His attitude was very dark. There are questions that I would like to ask those with an agnostic lifestyle. What made you turn away from God? Were you angry at Him, due to your parents? Diagnosis of Autism? Are you a neurotypical, perhaps? Too many family members? Death of someone? Not getting what you want in your life? Could you even be a "positive" agnostic? I am not wanting to preach to anyone. That is not my place, nor my specialty. Hence, I am not a pastor.


When I was young, I was taught my parent's views on religion; they made no sense to me. I disagree completely with your suggestion that those who choose not to walk the same religious path you do are inherently damaged and 'digging a pit' - while I consider myself agnostic, my practices most adhere to that of philosophic Taoism. There was no 'turning away' from God, as I do not recognize that concept of personification... I find my way in life, and that in itself gives me purpose and hope.


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28 Jul 2009, 1:29 am

There is no "god".



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28 Jul 2009, 1:37 am

I am a non-practicing evangelical.I went to a christian school when I was a kid, and I went to church as well because that was what the family did every sunday.Since I moved to Red Deer on my own, I stopped going to church.I believe in God and I do read the bible and such, BUT I am not into shoving my religious beliefs into the faces of others. Religion is a private matter and should not be shoved in anyones face.If people want to explore that religion, they can go to that particular church and do so themselves.


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28 Jul 2009, 2:34 am

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I'm an athiest and not agnostic. I don't care if people believe in god or go to church and worship him. It's their life and their business but they have no business shoving their religion in my face like I have no business shoving my anti god religion in theirs. I will not argue it with them.

The reason why I don't believe in him is because it doesn't make any sense and things don't sync up in the bible. Why doesn't it mention dinosaurs? They existed and there is proof they had. I have also read how the earth might have been formed and I have heard about evolution and watched two shows on it. I think people are gullible for believing in the bible and are silly but it's their life and they can believe whatever they want. I notice how people have different beliefs about things and some believe there is more than one god so that tells me there is no right answer. Some believe you are going to hell for being gay or having a fetish or not believing in god. I was told you go to hell when you are bad and only good people go to heaven. I will not argue their beliefs and critisize them for it because it's very narrow minded and ignorant.


Okay. I am going to be as gentle about this I can. First, while not all evolutionists are racists. Charles Darwin who formed the whole "Darwin Theory" is what helped caused the majority of racism. If you take the time to think about it. In his book "The Descent of Man" he speculated, "At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world." (Basically, meaning Negros). In addition, he subtitled his magnum opus "The Preservation of Favored Races in The Struggle for Life". Thomas Huxley, was the man responsible for advancing Darwinian doctrine, went so far as to say, "No rational man cognizant of the facts, believes of the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man." Furthermore, for evolution to succeed, it is crucial that the unfit die as that the fittest survive. I wanted to tell you that even if you refuse God's love, God is within you, even if you don't want it right now. :) He is with you, even though your heart is filled with disgust and hatred towards Him. And, even if years down the road, you still hate Christians, because a "preppy" Christian has spat some Bible verses in your face, Jesus is still by your side.


As you predicted, many people here are not captured by your delusions. I don't hate religious people any more than I hate any other psychopaths. I am just satisfied in accepting reasonable and logical explanations for things. I am fully aware argument is as useless with you as it is with any other mental pathology so I don't try.



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28 Jul 2009, 3:33 am

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Deciding you don't believe in God because you met some nasty Christians seems awfully shallow to me - although it probably happens. Surely someone who wants to be taken seriously would have more valid reasons, otherwise we would end up hating everything...

You're right, that actually happens sometimes according to some anecdotes from few relating to their experience with Christianity, in those cases, their own personal experiences would lead them into questioning their beliefs and change them, and I believe that happens about everything, not only about religion, when someone goes through unpleasent experiences they would likely reject ideas and things related to it, so a new perspective would be developed based on it and more accepting of contrasting views.

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Surely someone who wants to be taken seriously would have more valid reasons

well, in the case of a transition from Christianity to atheism/agnosticism or similar, people would be inclined to argue from empiricism and physicalism, which seems to be an easy available tool for arguments rather than using their own experiences which could be taken as meaningless in a debate, although the psychological issue from it is understandable given that people tend to select ideas and philosophies they find more convenient for them.

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I think each of us has their own unique path towards balance and fulfilment and I'm tired of people thinking their way is the only one for everybody, that a different belief or view makes you ignorant, misguided or hateful - and in some cases even trying to force you onto the "right path".

I very much agree with that.


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