Why democracy is a bad system for aspergers

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10 Sep 2009, 1:07 pm

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
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In the democratic system it is the majority that rules. Aspergers are a minority. The majority considers asperger as deviant, therefor we are sent to psychiatrists, loose our jobs because we don't engage in small talk and other nonsense, et cetera.

Let's reintroduce the aristocratic system! We, the aspergers are, generally, aristocrats. Not by birth, but by intellectual strength. Then we will rule! Long live aristocracy!

(NB. We will then treat the non-aspergers good heh! I have to say this because in this hypersensitive world one is a bad guy very quickly!)

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'Democracy is dictatorship of the majority'


Where in your original post do you mention anything about nirvana? I see a lot, however, about dictature.


You missed:

Plotinus wrote:
And you dont need the people's trust because you have the army.



Which is straight up dictatorship.


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10 Sep 2009, 5:18 pm

Sand wrote:
number5 wrote:
Plotinus wrote:
In the democratic system it is the majority that rules. Aspergers are a minority. The majority considers asperger as deviant, therefor we are sent to psychiatrists, loose our jobs because we don't engage in small talk and other nonsense, et cetera.

Let's reintroduce the aristocratic system! We, the aspergers are, generally, aristocrats. Not by birth, but by intellectual strength. Then we will rule! Long live aristocracy!

(NB. We will then treat the non-aspergers good heh! I have to say this because in this hypersensitive world one is a bad guy very quickly!)

Plotinus

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'Democracy is dictatorship of the majority'


Playing the victim usually doesn't work out well for anyone.


It worked out terrifically for the Israelis.


pff they could be better. neither finland or norway have been qassamed a lot lately :]


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10 Sep 2009, 5:52 pm

Sand wrote:
Plotinus wrote:
In the democratic system it is the majority that rules. Aspergers are a minority. The majority considers asperger as deviant, therefor we are sent to psychiatrists, loose our jobs because we don't engage in small talk and other nonsense, et cetera.

Let's reintroduce the aristocratic system! We, the aspergers are, generally, aristocrats. Not by birth, but by intellectual strength. Then we will rule! Long live aristocracy!

(NB. We will then treat the non-aspergers good heh! I have to say this because in this hypersensitive world one is a bad guy very quickly!)

Plotinus

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'Democracy is dictatorship of the majority'


Delusions of grandiose arrogant and disdainful superiority are not treated kindly by even tolerant majorities.


I'm telling Big Brother on you.... :tongue:


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10 Sep 2009, 8:46 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
Sand wrote:
number5 wrote:
Plotinus wrote:
In the democratic system it is the majority that rules. Aspergers are a minority. The majority considers asperger as deviant, therefor we are sent to psychiatrists, loose our jobs because we don't engage in small talk and other nonsense, et cetera.

Let's reintroduce the aristocratic system! We, the aspergers are, generally, aristocrats. Not by birth, but by intellectual strength. Then we will rule! Long live aristocracy!

(NB. We will then treat the non-aspergers good heh! I have to say this because in this hypersensitive world one is a bad guy very quickly!)

Plotinus

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'Democracy is dictatorship of the majority'


Playing the victim usually doesn't work out well for anyone.




It worked out terrifically for the Israelis.
pff they could be better. neither finland or norway have been qassamed a lot lately :]





Be careful. You might be accused of being anti-Nordic.



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10 Sep 2009, 10:55 pm

Sand wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
Sand wrote:
number5 wrote:
Plotinus wrote:
In the democratic system it is the majority that rules. Aspergers are a minority. The majority considers asperger as deviant, therefor we are sent to psychiatrists, loose our jobs because we don't engage in small talk and other nonsense, et cetera.

Let's reintroduce the aristocratic system! We, the aspergers are, generally, aristocrats. Not by birth, but by intellectual strength. Then we will rule! Long live aristocracy!

(NB. We will then treat the non-aspergers good heh! I have to say this because in this hypersensitive world one is a bad guy very quickly!)

Plotinus

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'Democracy is dictatorship of the majority'


Playing the victim usually doesn't work out well for anyone.


Be careful. You might be accused of being anti-Nordic.

It worked out terrifically for the Israelis.


pff they could be better. neither finland or norway have been qassamed a lot lately :]


Sand....you really need to work on your quoting skills. It took me way too long to find where in the world you put your response in this.


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10 Sep 2009, 11:27 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Sand wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
Sand wrote:
number5 wrote:
Plotinus wrote:
In the democratic system it is the majority that rules. Aspergers are a minority. The majority considers asperger as deviant, therefor we are sent to psychiatrists, loose our jobs because we don't engage in small talk and other nonsense, et cetera.

Let's reintroduce the aristocratic system! We, the aspergers are, generally, aristocrats. Not by birth, but by intellectual strength. Then we will rule! Long live aristocracy!

(NB. We will then treat the non-aspergers good heh! I have to say this because in this hypersensitive world one is a bad guy very quickly!)

Plotinus

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'Democracy is dictatorship of the majority'


Playing the victim usually doesn't work out well for anyone.


Be careful. You might be accused of being anti-Nordic.

It worked out terrifically for the Israelis.


pff they could be better. neither finland or norway have been qassamed a lot lately :]


Sand....you really need to work on your quoting skills. It took me way too long to find where in the world you put your response in this.


I tried to fix it but was still a bit disoriented trying to figure out what qassamed means.



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10 Sep 2009, 11:31 pm

Sand wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Sand wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
Sand wrote:
number5 wrote:
Plotinus wrote:
In the democratic system it is the majority that rules. Aspergers are a minority. The majority considers asperger as deviant, therefor we are sent to psychiatrists, loose our jobs because we don't engage in small talk and other nonsense, et cetera.

Let's reintroduce the aristocratic system! We, the aspergers are, generally, aristocrats. Not by birth, but by intellectual strength. Then we will rule! Long live aristocracy!

(NB. We will then treat the non-aspergers good heh! I have to say this because in this hypersensitive world one is a bad guy very quickly!)

Plotinus

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'Democracy is dictatorship of the majority'


Playing the victim usually doesn't work out well for anyone.


Be careful. You might be accused of being anti-Nordic.

It worked out terrifically for the Israelis.


pff they could be better. neither finland or norway have been qassamed a lot lately :]


Sand....you really need to work on your quoting skills. It took me way too long to find where in the world you put your response in this.


I tried to fix it but was still a bit disoriented trying to figure out what qassamed means.


A Qassam is a rocket used by the Palestinians and Hamas. I'm not sure if it's the same thing as those Palestinian rockets that couldn't seem to actually hit or damage much or anything...but it's a rocket.

Militarily speaking, it looks like the equivalent to a musket vs the tech that Israel has.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket


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11 Sep 2009, 1:32 am

Sand wrote:
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I am not wasting my time with the ignorant.


Absolutely correct! You are wasting your time with well informed people with a clear understanding of what is wise and what is idiocy.


To say someone is wise is to express an opinion, not a factual declarative sentence. One man's wisdom, is another man's foolishness.

One can beg the question of what is wisdom and who is wise by assuming a priori Aristotle's list of Virtues as given the -Nicomachean Ethics-.

In any case there is no universally agreed upon empirical test for wisdom.

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11 Sep 2009, 1:41 am

Princess,
Aristocrats, in the platonic sense, have reached nirvana.

And understanding irony, thats a problem for a lot of people.


But you know, i am extremely wise.
There is plato and me, the two greatest philosophers.



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11 Sep 2009, 1:51 am

Plotinus wrote:
Princess,
Aristocrats, in the platonic sense, have reached nirvana.

And understanding irony, thats a problem for a lot of people.


But you know, i am extremely wise.
There is plato and me, the two greatest philosophers.


Those wonderful aristocrats who so badly misbehaved themselves that they instigated both the French and the Russian revolutions are probably in the same mental class as you that so admires them. Plato was deluded that his fantasies of abstractions led him totally stray. From our posts it's obvious you haven't the faintest idea how far off the track you are.



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11 Sep 2009, 4:08 am

You are not the first person to come on to this site to whine about the way about the way he has been treated by NT's Plotinus. You might want to visit this site, it could use some posts about how the government in an aspie controled nation should work.


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11 Sep 2009, 4:13 am

I dont understand your last sentence , nobel c.



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11 Sep 2009, 4:25 am

Sorry about the typo that I just corrected, if that is what was confusing you; or did you not understand that the word "this" is a link that will take you to another website that another Wrong Planet member started?


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11 Sep 2009, 11:23 am

Plotinus wrote:
In the democratic system it is the majority that rules. Aspergers are a minority. The majority considers asperger as deviant, therefor we are sent to psychiatrists, loose our jobs because we don't engage in small talk and other nonsense, et cetera.

Let's reintroduce the aristocratic system! We, the aspergers are, generally, aristocrats. Not by birth, but by intellectual strength. Then we will rule! Long live aristocracy!

(NB. We will then treat the non-aspergers good heh! I have to say this because in this hypersensitive world one is a bad guy very quickly!)

Plotinus



Plotinus wrote:
Princess,
Aristocrats, in the platonic sense, have reached nirvana.

And understanding irony, thats a problem for a lot of people.


But you know, i am extremely wise.
There is plato and me, the two greatest philosophers.


Well, to me aristocracy seem quite apies unfriendly... It's was all about rules and social conventions. For making their way in court aristocrats frequently used lies and manipulations. They had also to follow fashions and invests a lot of money for getting luxuous clothes. Well for me I certainly could not had survived in there...most likely to be the case for most menbers of this forum as well.



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11 Sep 2009, 11:32 am

King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.


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12 Sep 2009, 12:27 am

The saying is don't feed the trolls!, but I'll take the bate as this is Politics, Philosophy, and Religion. (Or perhaps his sense of irony just doesn't cross the language barrier very well.)

In Western countries like the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, and the Netherlands, we are raised early to believe in democracy. Well, we have more or less liberal democracies (a system of representational popular rule with constitutional limitations protecting individual rights) or social democracies (with a greater emphasis on societal guarantees for a standard of living). People like these systems because they've proven themselves to be comfortable and relatively free.

So the impulse to lord it over all the rest is anti-democratic and perceived as dangerous. This is why this thread has been more a discussion of Plotinus than of the idea he has proposed. The response is derision: mockery, ostracism. He holds an idea that offends the status quo here. That's not to say the visceral negative reactions aren't justifiable; clearly, they are, but I'd prefer to show why.

Western democracies have shown a trend towards greater inclusion and acceptance of minorities. Society still needs to be educated on the full range of autism spectrum conditions from profoundly disabling cases of autism to less visibly impairing cases of Asperger's syndrome. Greater understanding is being had of developmental differences, psychiatric disorders, and neurological conditions. We can make this progress because in a democracy like in the U.S. people can voice their concerns and pool resources for issues of social justice, and we have a legal system that respects certain fundamental rights for all people (again, with the usual caveat that the system isn't perfect). This only indicates a continuing need for education, understanding, and reform. Of course, we still have an elite class rather than societal equality, but a democratic system, especially as progressively more democratic reforms are made, will narrow that gap (some politicians seem to be bent on cementing in an American oligarchy).

An aristocracy makes no reform possible for the common wheal as their interest only goes so far as it advantages the nobility (you can see a continuum here between highly egalitarian, anarchic democracy and a rigidly hierarchical aristocracy on the other). Plotinus would want those "best fit rule" to mean the intelligent and the autistic (nominally us). So by circumstance of birth, we'd be granted much greater privilege, enforced by law. If we were born under another set of circumstances, Plotinus would have us treated as serfs. Additionally, such a system is highly disturbing to someone with a sense of empathy.