THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

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24 Sep 2009, 2:23 pm

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24 Sep 2009, 6:36 pm

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Bush 1.7...get it right, he's a beta release. Still got Jeb and Marvin (at least) to watch out for.

Bush was a beta? Damn, Mozilla and Google do better with alpha versions than the Bushes do in beta. Maybe we should just put them in charge.


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24 Sep 2009, 6:54 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
Bush 1.7...get it right, he's a beta release. Still got Jeb and Marvin (at least) to watch out for.

Bush was a beta? Damn, Mozilla and Google do better with alpha versions than the Bushes do in beta. Maybe we should just put them in charge.


I assume Bush was a beta because he was made available to the public and he certainly wasn't final release.

Edit: also, I quarter think I'd be behind putting Mozilla and Google in charge. Not Microsoft...but Mozilla yes...Google maybe....


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24 Sep 2009, 7:18 pm

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Obama comes out of Chicago where falsified elections have a long history. After what Bush II did in Florida and Ohio it should be a cinch for Obama to work the same kind of deals to remain president.


Obama is the spiritual/philosophical offspring of Saul Ailinsky and Old Mayor Daley. He plays by Chicago rules. As you point out, Chicago is where the dead vote early and often. Thanks to the 22nd amendment we shall not have more than 8 years of Obama.

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24 Sep 2009, 7:44 pm

Obama will get a second term but Mitt Romney will give him a good fight. Personally I think Mitt would make a good president. His father was governor of Michigan and I don't ever recall his Mormon faith being an issue. There is a chance that someone no one expected on either side will be the candidates for the 2016 election. Both Clinton and Obama came out of nowhere and won.


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24 Sep 2009, 8:18 pm

+4 for Colbert...maybe John Stewart as vice-president? Vice-versa? :lol:

I too agree Obama will get a second term.
Republicans are jealous because Senator McCain is not president.
Look for a big Congressional bloodbath in 2010, Republicans getting
their delusional "revenge" on Democrats.


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24 Sep 2009, 8:40 pm

I think Mitt Romney's questionable conservative credentials specifically the health care reform he did in Massachusetts will hurt him a lot more than his Mormon faith. It's really an open field right now.

Other guys names I've heard floated around are former Utah governor and now US Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman Jr. and Mississippi governor Haley Barbour.

It's hard to say what the political climate will be in 2012.



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24 Sep 2009, 9:00 pm

Ahnold can't be VP, or President for that matter. The Constitution states that you have to be native-born....

I think it depends on the Economy. If Obama can convince people that it's still the 'Bush Recession' (and I wouldn't be surprised if we're still down, but getting better in '12), then it becomes 'Obama's recession'.



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24 Sep 2009, 9:49 pm

I hopes obama is two term presidents because If any republican wins because almost all are neo-con psycos I would defect to red china because I would have more rights and freedom in a country known for human rights abuses than america under another republican president.It was a mircle we lasted 8 years with reagan,bushV1 and bush V1.5 and the infernal devil imp cheney.Sarah Palin seals the fate of the world to nuclear apocolypse.


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24 Sep 2009, 9:52 pm

I agree with the idea of "Obama needs to be in long enough to force the republicans to get past this neo-conservative phase."

The neo-conservative movement has been one of the most divisive and destructive both in terms of the long-term wealth of the nation and in terms of the political standing of the nation.

While Richard Nixon himself wasn't a neo-con, his staff was rife with them.


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24 Sep 2009, 11:01 pm

skafather84 wrote:
I agree with the idea of "Obama needs to be in long enough to force the republicans to get past this neo-conservative phase."

The neo-conservative movement has been one of the most divisive and destructive both in terms of the long-term wealth of the nation and in terms of the political standing of the nation.

While Richard Nixon himself wasn't a neo-con, his staff was rife with them.


Although Obama talks a good line his policies are almost a pure continuation of Bush II. He is a toady of the financial sector, his health plan is almost a total concession to the health insurance gangsters, his policies on Gitmo and openness of the illegal brutality that went on there and at other US prisons around the world are undiscernibly different, his total neglect of the people in trouble with losing their houses to almost criminal mortgages in favor of the intransigent financial institutions is upsetting, his policies in Afghanistan are blatantly a copy of the fiasco in Viet Nam. He is, so far, a better and smoother salesman than Bush II but has not revealed anything more positive in his administration than that he is black. That's not enough.



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24 Sep 2009, 11:29 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
I agree with the idea of "Obama needs to be in long enough to force the republicans to get past this neo-conservative phase."

The neo-conservative movement has been one of the most divisive and destructive both in terms of the long-term wealth of the nation and in terms of the political standing of the nation.

While Richard Nixon himself wasn't a neo-con, his staff was rife with them.


Although Obama talks a good line his policies are almost a pure continuation of Bush II. He is a toady of the financial sector, his health plan is almost a total concession to the health insurance gangsters, his policies on Gitmo and openness of the illegal brutality that went on there and at other US prisons around the world are undiscernibly different, his total neglect of the people in trouble with losing their houses to almost criminal mortgages in favor of the intransigent financial institutions is upsetting, his policies in Afghanistan are blatantly a copy of the fiasco in Viet Nam. He is, so far, a better and smoother salesman than Bush II but has not revealed anything more positive in his administration than that he is black. That's not enough.


Shhhh, I was playing in the world of everyone else for a second.

I'd rather not JUST reside in the world of how everything really is. I'd like to at least somewhat join into society...even if it means partaking in a great lie.


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25 Sep 2009, 1:23 am

skafather84 wrote:
I assume Bush was a beta because he was made available to the public and he certainly wasn't final release.

Edit: also, I quarter think I'd be behind putting Mozilla and Google in charge. Not Microsoft...but Mozilla yes...Google maybe....

If we put Google in charge, we'd have the biggest surveillance/police state in the world. All to protect us and provide us with better law enforcement service. Let's put Debian in charge- their testing releases are more stable than anything anyone else puts out. Shame they're all psychotic.

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Obama will get a second term but Mitt Romney will give him a good fight. Personally I think Mitt would make a good president. His father was governor of Michigan and I don't ever recall his Mormon faith being an issue.

I don't personally have an issue with Romney being a Mormon, having grown up around a fair number of Mormons and able to see that they're really not so different from anyone else, but I am doubtful that the evangelical Protestant social conservatives (on whom the Republican Party depends) will permit a non-Protestant candidate. It would be a huge stretch for them to allow a Catholic like Jindal even.

So far I don't have any particular reason to think Romney would be a bad President. There are certainly worse candidates to choose from.


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25 Sep 2009, 6:44 am

I know a few Mormons myself and they are decent people who tolerate my eccentricities. They don't bother anybody with their religion. The ones I know are very reliable and work their butts off. Can't say the same about the nut-job Baptists and evangelicals I know. The Republicans need Obama to win a second term so that they can get the nut-job religious right under control and move back to the center-right. They will never win the presidency again if they don't. Republicans will make big gains in the House and Senate next year but they won't regain the majority.


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25 Sep 2009, 9:44 am

This may sound weird, but Texas was once one of the most liberal states in the U.S. We didn't go red until 1978.

Our governor, Rick Perry, is a textbook neocon. He's not corrupt, he's just really stupid.

That said, the president has no real bearing on certain situations, because Congress is the brains behind the government, not the president.


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25 Sep 2009, 9:58 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
This may sound weird, but Texas was once one of the most liberal states in the U.S. We didn't go red until 1978.

Our governor, Rick Perry, is a textbook neocon. He's not corrupt, he's just really stupid.

That said, the president has no real bearing on certain situations, because Congress is the brains behind the government, not the president.



That's changed. Bush 1.7 took a lot of powers away from the legislative branch and placed them within the executive. Executive orders have almost become decrees from the king. Signing statements seem to grant the president power to state which parts of legislation are law or not. The president can declare war on his own for the most part now.


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