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13 Jan 2010, 5:20 pm

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IN January 2008 the National Journal published its rankings of all U.S. senators -- based on how they had voted on a host of foreign and domestic policy bills -- and rated Barack Obama "the most liberal Senator of 2007." In the area of domestic policy voting, the study found that "Obama voted the liberal position on 65 of the 66 key votes on which he voted … [and] garnered perfect liberal scores in both the economic and social categories."


If you think he's "center", this explains why your views on the political spectrum are hopelessly skewed.

How people remain blind to his nature, evades me. This man is so far LEFT, he's two steps removed from Vladimir Lenin.



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IN January 2008 the National Journal published its rankings of all U.S. senators -- based on how they had voted on a host of foreign and domestic policy bills -- and rated Barack Obama "the most liberal Senator of 2007." In the area of domestic policy voting, the study found that "Obama voted the liberal position on 65 of the 66 key votes on which he voted … [and] garnered perfect liberal scores in both the economic and social categories."


If you think he's "center", this explains why your views on the political spectrum are hopelessly skewed.

How people remain blind to his nature, evades me. This man is so far LEFT, he's two steps removed from Vladimir Lenin.


Kucinich is a leftist, Obama is not. Don't just ask me. Ask any leftist, and don't stop at Americans, ask the world. Our left, is the western worlds center. Our center, is their right.

Leftists should be for marriage equality, for single payer health care (not just mandated private health care garbage), against waging wars, let alone wars to fight an idea.

And for the record, the owner of the National Journal is a NeoCon. I wouldn't be surprised if he thought Obama was a leftist. Half the GOP thinks he is a Kenyan Muslim, hell bent on destroying the world.


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13 Jan 2010, 5:57 pm

I think this can permanently lay to rest the argument that Sarah Palin is stupid. She went where the potential for the most money is. She has the hair, the jawline, the big white teeth...the android commenter thing works well on her. Is this the reason she stepped down as gov? I knew something was up. I think she is about as pragmatic as they come, I guess, and this proves it. Getting into politics was all about money and power and she's probably realized that with money *comes* a certain amount of power and she can have the money and power both without the annoying scrutiny and things like 'ethics' that come with holding office. Scary betch.



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13 Jan 2010, 6:24 pm

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Kucinich is a leftist, Obama is not. Don't just ask me. Ask any leftist, and don't stop at Americans, ask the world. Our left, is the western worlds center. Our center, is their right.


The rest of the world thinks Obama is a dangerous idiot pushover clown. That much is evident already. British people mock him in the pubs. Israelis do too. Russians immediately recognized him for a Marxists. Putin even warned him about the path to socialism.

Arabs think he's a useful, clueless liberal clown. I cannot believe Americans managed to elect a man into office who wouldn't, in all honesty, be able to pass security checks necessary to be his own bodyguard.

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Leftists should be for marriage equality, for single payer health care (not just mandated private health care garbage), against waging wars, let alone wars to fight an idea.


Obama's leftist agendas conflict with reality. Just like any other liberal President, he will never be able to act the way he truly wants, because his role in the government is still limited, and exposure to actual facts, REAL consequences of his actions, trumps his ability to act on his dreams.

This doesn't mean he doesn't want free healthcare. Also, he's quite obviously pro gay marriage, he just pretended to be against it to win the election, because he's, well, a clown. An actor, a suit.

I'd say a man who redirects CIA spy satellites to monitor extinction of polar bears, constantly apologizes for America, and bows deeply to foreign leaders like no one EVER HAS... is on very FAR left.

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And for the record, the owner of the National Journal is a NeoCon. I wouldn't be surprised if he thought Obama was a leftist. Half the GOP thinks he is a Kenyan Muslim, hell bent on destroying the world.


Well, Obama IS in most likelyhood a Muslim, and not officially born in the United States, either. There's been no official proof to the contrary. Calling those who demand proof "teabaggers" still did not produce any proof. Instead, he paid his lawyers to keep his records under lock and key.

Obama's father was a Muslim. Obama's stepfather was a Muslim. Obama's grandfather was a Muslim. Sarah, who Obama calls grandmother is a Muslim. Obama's half-brothers and sisters are Muslims. To Muslims, Obama IS a Muslim, no matter what he says. Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, was quoted by the New York Times as saying, "My whole family was Muslim."

As for who is the owner of the National Journal... how exactly does that affect counting people's votes and assessing their position based on math ? It has nothing to do with "like" or "dislike", it is statistics, and statistics show that Obama was the most liberal senator of 2007.

Obama is a man, who, in the time of crisis, inflames class wars to support his agenda. This is what Lenin did, too. It was very helpful.



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13 Jan 2010, 6:25 pm

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I think this can permanently lay to rest the argument that Sarah Palin is stupid. She went where the potential for the most money is. She has the hair, the jawline, the big white teeth...the android commenter thing works well on her. Is this the reason she stepped down as gov? I knew something was up. I think she is about as pragmatic as they come, I guess, and this proves it. Getting into politics was all about money and power and she's probably realized that with money *comes* a certain amount of power and she can have the money and power both without the annoying scrutiny and things like 'ethics' that come with holding office. Scary betch.


Asides from picking on her physical appearance (and her business sense, which is apparently right on target), I hope you can show me where her lack of ethics has been demonstrated.



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13 Jan 2010, 6:26 pm

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Kucinich is a leftist, Obama is not. Don't just ask me. Ask any leftist, and don't stop at Americans, ask the world. Our left, is the western worlds center. Our center, is their right.


The rest of the world thinks Obama is a dangerous idiot pushover clown. That much is evident already. British people mock him in the pubs. Israelis do too. Russians immediately recognized him for a Marxists. Putin even warned him about the path to socialism.

Arabs think he's a useful, clueless liberal clown. I cannot believe Americans managed to elect a man into office who wouldn't, in all honesty, be able to pass security checks necessary to be his own bodyguard.

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Leftists should be for marriage equality, for single payer health care (not just mandated private health care garbage), against waging wars, let alone wars to fight an idea.


Obama's leftist agendas conflict with reality. Just like any other liberal President, he will never be able to act the way he truly wants, because his role in the government is still limited, and exposure to actual facts, REAL consequences of his actions, trumps his ability to act on his dreams.

This doesn't mean he doesn't want free healthcare. Also, he's quite obviously pro gay marriage, he just pretended to be against it to win the election, because he's, well, a clown. An actor, a suit.

I'd say a man who redirects CIA spy satellites to monitor extinction of polar bears, constantly apologizes for America, and bows deeply to foreign leaders like no one EVER HAS... is on very FAR left.

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And for the record, the owner of the National Journal is a NeoCon. I wouldn't be surprised if he thought Obama was a leftist. Half the GOP thinks he is a Kenyan Muslim, hell bent on destroying the world.


Well, Obama IS in most likelyhood a Muslim, and not officially born in the United States, either. There's been no official proof to the contrary. Calling those who demand proof "teabaggers" still did not produce any proof. Instead, he paid his lawyers to keep his records under lock and key.

Obama's father was a Muslim. Obama's stepfather was a Muslim. Obama's grandfather was a Muslim. Sarah, who Obama calls grandmother is a Muslim. Obama's half-brothers and sisters are Muslims. To Muslims, Obama IS a Muslim, no matter what he says. Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, was quoted by the New York Times as saying, "My whole family was Muslim."

As for who is the owner of the National Journal... how exactly does that affect counting people's votes and assessing their position based on math ? It has nothing to do with "like" or "dislike", it is statistics, and statistics show that Obama was the most liberal senator of 2007.

Obama is a man, who, in the time of crisis, inflames class wars to support his agenda. This is what Lenin did, too. It was very helpful.


LMAO...

Okay, so you think he's a Muslim, and that Fox News is fair, balanced and honest. I'm not going to argue with you. :)


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13 Jan 2010, 6:39 pm

I lived in Soviet Union (and former USSR) for 17 years. What Obama is doing is no joke, and many of us former Soviets also easily recognize the brainwashing that goes in on America's educational institutions such as Berkeley, which produce people like you. This started decades ago.

Nothing personal against YOU, I'm sure you are a really nice person, but you've been mislead.

I used to be brainwashed into Communism and Socialism too... faux drive for equality and spreading the wealth. Faux enlightement appeals to the youth, and is propagated by the government and educational institutions from then on.

I was also the subject to the end result of what will eventually become Obama's healthcare system [disaster]. I hope you enjoy having your teeth drilled without anaesthetics and waiting 3 hours for an ambulance to (maybe) arrive.

If you don't, well... you just may be screwed. Things aren't much different in Britain's or Canadian healthcare system than they were in the USSR, and you've helped elect a President who is destroying one of the few working healthcare systems in the world.

You Americans had, and still have, a f*****g amazing country. It is a privilege to live here, and it pains me to see the combined efforts of Bill "blowjob" Clinton, George "idiot" Bush and Barack Obamovich Lenin drive it into the ground.

P.S. This site was made by former Soviets like myself... it is a satirical publication looking at Obama's America through the prism of former Soviet conventions.

http://thepeoplescube.com/



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13 Jan 2010, 6:54 pm

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I lived in Soviet Union (and former USSR) for 17 years. What Obama is doing is no joke, and many of us former Soviets easily recognize the brainwashing that goes in on America's educational institutions such as Berkeley, which produce people like you.

Nothing personal against YOU, I'm sure you are a really nice person, but you've been mislead.

I used to be brainwashed into Communism and Socialism too... faux drive for equality and spreading the wealth. Faux enlightement appeals to the youth, and is propagated by the government and educational institutions from then on.

I was also the subject to the end result of what will eventually become Obama's healthcare system [disaster]. I hope you enjoy having your teeth drilled without anaesthetics and waiting 3 hours for an ambulance to (maybe) arrive.

If you don't, well... you just may be screwed. Things aren't much different in Britain's or Canadian healthcare system than they were in the USSR, and you've helped elect a President who is destroying one of the few working healthcare systems in the world.

You Americans had, and still have, a f***ing amazing country. It is a privilege to live here, and it pains me to see the combined efforts of Bill "blowjob" Clinton, George "idiot" Bush and Barack Obamovich Lenin drive it into the ground.


Not agreeing with you, does not equate being mislead. Sorry, Monster. Berkeley is a phenomenal school. It's a school where people from all over the world are begging to get in to. I apologize if you feel threatened by academics, Monster.

Don't specifically say 'people like me', and then continue to tell me you're not making it personal.

I'm sorry you lived under a dictatorship. I'm sorry your country cared more about it's weapon building, than it's citizens. That does not make the US anything like the USSR, not even a little.

I won't be in the US for too much longer. People with your mentality have driven me to not give a damn about this country. You needn't worry about my teeth. I'll be getting excellent socialized health care somewhere else. A place where ... *gasp* humanity comes before the mighty green.

For the record, I voted for Kucinich, in the primaries and the general. He was a far better choice than McCain, or Obama.

This country is amazing? Yea, we outsource our jobs, we shyte on the little people, we piss on the weak and wipe our ass with the poor, and cry about people taking our tax dollars to take care of their children. This country is a steaming pile of cow dung.


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13 Jan 2010, 7:15 pm

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Not agreeing with you, does not equate being mislead. Sorry, Monster.


Can't really convince you otherwise, so okay.

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Berkeley is a phenomenal school. It's a school where people from all over the world are begging to get in to. I apologize if you feel threatened by academics, Monster.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUybMMYmpxo

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Don't specifically say 'people like me', and then continue to tell me you're not making it personal.


It was obvious what I meant contextually - people with your political persuasion. I wasn't picking on your appearance or taste in ice-cream, therefore it's not really personal - unlike you directly calling me "monster".

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I'm sorry you lived under a dictatorship. I'm sorry your country cared more about it's weapon building, than it's citizens. That does not make the US anything like the USSR, not even a little.


Weapon building ? Is that all they taught you about the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics at Berkeley ?

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I won't be in the US for too much longer. People with your mentality have driven me to not give a damn about this country. You needn't worry about my teeth. I'll be getting excellent socialized health care somewhere else. A place where ... *gasp* humanity comes before the mighty green.


Competition drives wealth that you see all around you. This means, "the mighty green" is extremely important. You can still find good and bad doctors in any country.

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For the record, I voted for Kucinich, in the primaries and the general. He was a far better choice than McCain, or Obama.


I voted for McCain because even a shambling zombie is better than a Socialist.

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This country is amazing? Yea, we outsource our jobs,


Hey I'm against outsourcing jobs, and so is any reasonable conservative. Borders, language, culture.
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we shyte on the little people,


There's "little people" ? I smell discriminatory tone.

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we piss on the weak and wipe our ass with the poor,


Poetic but BS.

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and cry about people taking our tax dollars to take care of their children.


People actually exploit the welfare system because they know they get more $$ with more kids. The more you know (tm).

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This country is a steaming pile of cow dung.


Hey... we thought our country was a steaming pile of cow dung, so we left it. Perhaps you should do the same... no use living life traumatized by the conflict in your perceived worldview and reality surrounding you.

Enjoy your heartfelt socialized medicine.



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13 Jan 2010, 7:46 pm

Monster is the first part of your name, is it not? I wasn't calling you 'a' monster. Don't be coy. I'm sure you knew that.

I haven't a clue why you hate Berkeley so much, other than perhaps feeling threatened by it's accomplishments. I can't imagine being a liberal mecca has anything to do with it.

I'm not talking about doctors.. in fact, good, bad.. that isn't really the point. The point for trying to fix health care in this country, is developing a system where everyone can afford to see a doctor, and not have to worry about living a life in debt.

You can smell whatever your heart desires. I was referring to all the people on the bottom of this 'well oiled machine' we call our society. The ones that do those jobs that need to be done, but don't get paid enough to support their families.

Some people do exploit the system, but many do not. I can't imagine what kind of person it takes to argue against helping those who are unable to help themselves.


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I remember when there were fires all over So Cal a few years back, and I was switching news stations trying to find the best coverage. Fox News suggested Al Qaeda was behind the So Cal fires. I don't know how people can take such a news station seriously. I know I watch it on occasion, and that's only for a good chuckle.


Fox News referenced a rather interesting tidbit from the FBI previous that year:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Fox_a ... _1024.html

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"I've heard some people talk about this a little bit to me, but have you heard anybody suggest that this could be some form of terrorism," Fox & Friends co-host Steve Doocy asked Wednesday morning.


There's the suggestion . . .

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Fox & Friends co-host Judge Andrew Napolitano tried to serve as the voice of reason.

"That's a fear, Adam, but is there any evidence of it?" the judge asked.


There's the dissent (still from Fox and same show).

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DOOCY: Brian, the plot they say, according to this detainee, and they don’t know if the detainee is telling the truth. The plot was to set three or four wildfires. But they don’t mention California. They mention Colorado, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming. We do know for a fact that a number of the fires in southern California are of a suspicious nature and they are investigating arson.


And later . . . more information, which flew in the face of any suggestion.


Personally, and this isn't an attack on you, I blame viewers for doing exactly what you did:

I was switching news stations trying to find the best coverage.

So who has the best coverage (generally speaking)? He who gets the news first--which often requires risk and suggestion.



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14 Jan 2010, 4:39 pm

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Monster is the first part of your name, is it not? I wasn't calling you 'a' monster. Don't be coy. I'm sure you knew that.


Uh huh.

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I haven't a clue why you hate Berkeley so much, other than perhaps feeling threatened by it's accomplishments. I can't imagine being a liberal mecca has anything to do with it.


Berkeley is an institution that educates people to a worldview that is disconnected from reality. It is staffed overwhelmingly by ultraliberal professors who don't shy away from letting their slant seep into their choice of materials to study. By and large institutions like Berkeley produce America-haters like yourself. Sorry - it's true.

Also, they produce Israel-haters. People who somehow manage to take a "balanced position" between a tiny, highly progressive and civilized society, and barbarian countries surrounding it that strap explosives on children, castrate women and behead gays.

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I'm not talking about doctors.. in fact, good, bad.. that isn't really the point. The point for trying to fix health care in this country, is developing a system where everyone can afford to see a doctor, and not have to worry about living a life in debt.


The system is not perfect, but two wrongs don't make a right. There's a bit of a racket going on there, but that racket is what should be addressed, instead of fundamentally dismantling and destroying the very core of what makes American healthcare GOOD.

Many Americans seem to be too dumb to understand "two wrongs don't make a right" rule, which is, well, how Obama came to power.

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You can smell whatever your heart desires. I was referring to all the people on the bottom of this 'well oiled machine' we call our society. The ones that do those jobs that need to be done, but don't get paid enough to support their families.


You do know about the minimum wage, right. To someone who lived in a third-world country, American minimum wage is more than enough to survive while they look for a better job. None of these low-tier jobs were designed to be lifetime opportunities, which is why they have an efficient re-training process for new personnel.

Do you know what people from China and Russia do when they arrive ? They do the sh***y jobs, they study, gain skills and get minivans for their families.

I've seen Russian moms with zero computer knowledge come here and become QA engineers. Why ? Because they care about their kids, because they came from a tougher place, and because they're THRILLED that there's even a CHANCE for any sort of opportunity, and they seize it.

You know how this happened ? Because Russians that came BEFORE THEM saw that there was a business opportunity to run cheap, focused computer schools for Russians that come later.

OPPORTUNITY. It is amazing.

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Some people do exploit the system, but many do not. I can't imagine what kind of person it takes to argue against helping those who are unable to help themselves.


Many do. Most people with zero income are tempted to exploit the system if it freely lets them know that they can get away with it. Especially to people from third-world countries such as Mexico, it is a given.

Both Vladimir Lenin and Adolf Hitler followed the Marxist ideas of creating a better, more civilized man. Such man does not exist, and attempts to force humans into this image always result in catastrophe.

Americans have EVERYTHING necessary to succeed. The government is NOT responsible for welfare of people who do not have any ambition. If you think that it is government's responsibility to maintain everyone's level of living no matter how many kids they have, then you really belong in old-school Soviet Union, whose leaders shared the same belief.

Government as a nanny sure worked out great in USSR and China.

Do you know why you have all this wealth of produce in your grocery stores, sliding doors, magnetic credit cards, juice bottles shaped after your hand ? It's not because the companies care for the consumer. It's because they COMPETE for consumer's attention and try to outdo each other.

Government control is the opposite of this. Whatever government takes control of becomes buried in bureaucracy, gray and soulless, produced in the cheapest yet least efficient way possible.

You Americans already have a generous welfare system which gives money for FREE when you're unemployed. You have cheap and quality foods in your stores. You have shelters for homeless with free food ! You have stores that lay perfectly good bread out in the back because its "not so fresh anymore". This luxury was UNHEARD OF in the republic of former USSR where I lived !

Yet there's always whining. WHINE WHINE WHINE.

How self-entitled, ungrateful, Americans of today have become.



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14 Jan 2010, 5:58 pm

In my opinion, either extreme on the political spectrum should be avoided. Communist socialism is one extreme. China seems to be an example of another extreme to be avoided. They have runaway capitalism which is causing incredible harm to the ecosystem, for example. Countries like Canada and many European countries seem to me to be a good balance between the extremes.

On the subject of health care, the people who live in Canada and certain European countries seem to like their health care system, even if the execution of the system is not always perfect. I am one American who would prefer a single payer system like Canada and many European countries.


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On the subject of health care, the people who live in Canada and certain European countries seem to like their health care system, even if the execution of the system is not always perfect. I am one American who would prefer a single payer system like Canada and many European countries.


Where did you get the idea that Canadians like their healthcare system ? People skip tests and wait for months for critical surgeries. "Not always perfect" is an astronomically understated way to describe that.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/06/ ... index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

And don't get me started on the nightmares of Britain's hospitals.



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14 Jan 2010, 6:39 pm

I just now Googled "Canada health care poll." http://www.gallup.com/poll/8056/healthc ... anada.aspx was the first link listed. I have not read the results on that site, but skimming the summary seems to confirm what I posted.

I will be away from the keyboard for a while. Real life calls, unfortunately.

Edited for errors in original posting. Sorry.


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14 Jan 2010, 6:52 pm

I'm not sure what these polls accomplish. When I lived in Soviet Union I was "quite satisfied" with our healthcare system. Why ? Because I was never exposed to anything better.

Having ambulances arrive within 5 minutes (USA) instead of 3 hours (USSR) seemed like a needless luxury, and I was honest-to-God convinced that horrible suffering I was subjected to while having my teeth drilled without anaesthetics was unavoidable. We didn't have water/suction, either. So there was just this hot powder landing all over your mouth.

Now, looking at actual wait LINES (mentioned in article I linked prior), prioritization of patients, and the dreaded rationing of medicine that goes on in both Canada and Britain, reveals the real picture of whats going on there.