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16 Feb 2010, 2:41 am
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Since we seem unable to "conquer" the Sahara Desert, why would anybody want to take over places far less hospitable? Sending robot probes to take a look might make sense. The Moon is relatively in our own back yard and seems not much of a juicy plum lately. Why bother?
Africa in general is a political nightmare, so the Sahara Desert is fairly moot. The deserts in Arizona or Nevada would be more relevant.
You're right about the Moon's proximity though. It would be a logical stepping stone for establishment of a logistics, mining, manufacturing and even hydroponics bases. Its proximity to Earth, stability of orbit, presence of noticeable surface gravity (yet much lower escape velocity than Earth) would make the Moon an ideal base of operations.
Why bother though? Why not? Aside from just being cool to explore things out there, it is a chance to visit other planets and other star systems. Why is there such a lack of interest nowadays in what used to be cool when I was a kid? People are so boring today.
Cool. Yeah, cool. Wouldn't it be cool to stop killing people in the Middle East? Wouldn't it be cool to save the thousands of babies that starve to death each day? Wouldn't it be cool to discover how to really take advantage of the plenitude of raw materials right here on Earth that could be used in new ways to replace the ones we're running out of? Wouldn't it be cool to give everybody qualified a university education free to utilize the lost talents now thrown away? Yeah, cool.
Firstly, the people in the Middle East need to stop killing each other, need to stop bombing public places, need to stop bombing buses, need to stop being insane. If they will not stop doing these things by themselves, then they need to be policed.
Secondly, yes it would be cool to save thousands of babies from starving each year. How do you propose to do that?
Thirdly, yes it would be good to work with what we have here first.
Fourthly, I think it would be best to foster learning rather than education. In the sense that "education" today is primarily the pursuit of a degree rather than of knowledge, I think it would be better to provide environments where actual obtainment and comprehension of knowledge is achieved rather than the current rushing from assignment to assignment, focusing more on format than content, and otherwise presenting a valence of short term comprehension in order to merely meet scheduled deadlines. Learning, in my terminology here, is the obtainment and comprehension of knowledge. Education, is the obtainment of a piece of paper.
16 Feb 2010, 3:45 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Since we seem unable to "conquer" the Sahara Desert, why would anybody want to take over places far less hospitable? Sending robot probes to take a look might make sense. The Moon is relatively in our own back yard and seems not much of a juicy plum lately. Why bother?
Africa in general is a political nightmare, so the Sahara Desert is fairly moot. The deserts in Arizona or Nevada would be more relevant.
You're right about the Moon's proximity though. It would be a logical stepping stone for establishment of a logistics, mining, manufacturing and even hydroponics bases. Its proximity to Earth, stability of orbit, presence of noticeable surface gravity (yet much lower escape velocity than Earth) would make the Moon an ideal base of operations.
Why bother though? Why not? Aside from just being cool to explore things out there, it is a chance to visit other planets and other star systems. Why is there such a lack of interest nowadays in what used to be cool when I was a kid? People are so boring today.
Cool. Yeah, cool. Wouldn't it be cool to stop killing people in the Middle East? Wouldn't it be cool to save the thousands of babies that starve to death each day? Wouldn't it be cool to discover how to really take advantage of the plenitude of raw materials right here on Earth that could be used in new ways to replace the ones we're running out of? Wouldn't it be cool to give everybody qualified a university education free to utilize the lost talents now thrown away? Yeah, cool.
Firstly, the people in the Middle East need to stop killing each other, need to stop bombing public places, need to stop bombing buses, need to stop being insane. If they will not stop doing these things by themselves, then they need to be policed.
Secondly, yes it would be cool to save thousands of babies from starving each year. How do you propose to do that?
Thirdly, yes it would be good to work with what we have here first.
Fourthly, I think it would be best to foster learning rather than education. In the sense that "education" today is primarily the pursuit of a degree rather than of knowledge, I think it would be better to provide environments where actual obtainment and comprehension of knowledge is achieved rather than the current rushing from assignment to assignment, focusing more on format than content, and otherwise presenting a valence of short term comprehension in order to merely meet scheduled deadlines. Learning, in my terminology here, is the obtainment and comprehension of knowledge. Education, is the obtainment of a piece of paper.
When I was educated by my elementary school, high school, and college, I learned a hell of a lot. What did you do?
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16 Feb 2010, 3:56 am
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Since we seem unable to "conquer" the Sahara Desert, why would anybody want to take over places far less hospitable? Sending robot probes to take a look might make sense. The Moon is relatively in our own back yard and seems not much of a juicy plum lately. Why bother?
Africa in general is a political nightmare, so the Sahara Desert is fairly moot. The deserts in Arizona or Nevada would be more relevant.
You're right about the Moon's proximity though. It would be a logical stepping stone for establishment of a logistics, mining, manufacturing and even hydroponics bases. Its proximity to Earth, stability of orbit, presence of noticeable surface gravity (yet much lower escape velocity than Earth) would make the Moon an ideal base of operations.
Why bother though? Why not? Aside from just being cool to explore things out there, it is a chance to visit other planets and other star systems. Why is there such a lack of interest nowadays in what used to be cool when I was a kid? People are so boring today.
Cool. Yeah, cool. Wouldn't it be cool to stop killing people in the Middle East? Wouldn't it be cool to save the thousands of babies that starve to death each day? Wouldn't it be cool to discover how to really take advantage of the plenitude of raw materials right here on Earth that could be used in new ways to replace the ones we're running out of? Wouldn't it be cool to give everybody qualified a university education free to utilize the lost talents now thrown away? Yeah, cool.
Firstly, the people in the Middle East need to stop killing each other, need to stop bombing public places, need to stop bombing buses, need to stop being insane. If they will not stop doing these things by themselves, then they need to be policed.
Secondly, yes it would be cool to save thousands of babies from starving each year. How do you propose to do that?
Thirdly, yes it would be good to work with what we have here first.
Fourthly, I think it would be best to foster learning rather than education. In the sense that "education" today is primarily the pursuit of a degree rather than of knowledge, I think it would be better to provide environments where actual obtainment and comprehension of knowledge is achieved rather than the current rushing from assignment to assignment, focusing more on format than content, and otherwise presenting a valence of short term comprehension in order to merely meet scheduled deadlines. Learning, in my terminology here, is the obtainment and comprehension of knowledge. Education, is the obtainment of a piece of paper.
When I was educated by my elementary school, high school, and college, I learned a hell of a lot. What did you do?
Elementary level, I learned quite a bit up until I was put in public school for two months. For high school level, I taught myself Algebra I & II, Euclidean Geometry, Logic, Ancient, Medieval, and Renaissance history, Chemistry I & II, Physics I & II, Trigonometry, some calculus, Latin, Spanish, etc. For college, I'm just rushing to meet deadlines though, in the midst of wedding plans and preparation, premarital counseling, cleaning my apartment due to a random inspection notice, preparing to move in with my wife in May, and lots of myriads of other necessary things to do approximately simultaneously.
16 Feb 2010, 4:59 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Since we seem unable to "conquer" the Sahara Desert, why would anybody want to take over places far less hospitable? Sending robot probes to take a look might make sense. The Moon is relatively in our own back yard and seems not much of a juicy plum lately. Why bother?
Africa in general is a political nightmare, so the Sahara Desert is fairly moot. The deserts in Arizona or Nevada would be more relevant.
You're right about the Moon's proximity though. It would be a logical stepping stone for establishment of a logistics, mining, manufacturing and even hydroponics bases. Its proximity to Earth, stability of orbit, presence of noticeable surface gravity (yet much lower escape velocity than Earth) would make the Moon an ideal base of operations.
Why bother though? Why not? Aside from just being cool to explore things out there, it is a chance to visit other planets and other star systems. Why is there such a lack of interest nowadays in what used to be cool when I was a kid? People are so boring today.
Cool. Yeah, cool. Wouldn't it be cool to stop killing people in the Middle East? Wouldn't it be cool to save the thousands of babies that starve to death each day? Wouldn't it be cool to discover how to really take advantage of the plenitude of raw materials right here on Earth that could be used in new ways to replace the ones we're running out of? Wouldn't it be cool to give everybody qualified a university education free to utilize the lost talents now thrown away? Yeah, cool.
Firstly, the people in the Middle East need to stop killing each other, need to stop bombing public places, need to stop bombing buses, need to stop being insane. If they will not stop doing these things by themselves, then they need to be policed.
Secondly, yes it would be cool to save thousands of babies from starving each year. How do you propose to do that?
Thirdly, yes it would be good to work with what we have here first.
Fourthly, I think it would be best to foster learning rather than education. In the sense that "education" today is primarily the pursuit of a degree rather than of knowledge, I think it would be better to provide environments where actual obtainment and comprehension of knowledge is achieved rather than the current rushing from assignment to assignment, focusing more on format than content, and otherwise presenting a valence of short term comprehension in order to merely meet scheduled deadlines. Learning, in my terminology here, is the obtainment and comprehension of knowledge. Education, is the obtainment of a piece of paper.
When I was educated by my elementary school, high school, and college, I learned a hell of a lot. What did you do?
Elementary level, I learned quite a bit up until I was put in public school for two months. For high school level, I taught myself Algebra I & II, Euclidean Geometry, Logic, Ancient, Medieval, and Renaissance history, Chemistry I & II, Physics I & II, Trigonometry, some calculus, Latin, Spanish, etc. For college, I'm just rushing to meet deadlines though, in the midst of wedding plans and preparation, premarital counseling, cleaning my apartment due to a random inspection notice, preparing to move in with my wife in May, and lots of myriads of other necessary things to do approximately simultaneously.
Congratulations.
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16 Feb 2010, 5:06 am
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Since we seem unable to "conquer" the Sahara Desert, why would anybody want to take over places far less hospitable? Sending robot probes to take a look might make sense. The Moon is relatively in our own back yard and seems not much of a juicy plum lately. Why bother?
Africa in general is a political nightmare, so the Sahara Desert is fairly moot. The deserts in Arizona or Nevada would be more relevant.
You're right about the Moon's proximity though. It would be a logical stepping stone for establishment of a logistics, mining, manufacturing and even hydroponics bases. Its proximity to Earth, stability of orbit, presence of noticeable surface gravity (yet much lower escape velocity than Earth) would make the Moon an ideal base of operations.
Why bother though? Why not? Aside from just being cool to explore things out there, it is a chance to visit other planets and other star systems. Why is there such a lack of interest nowadays in what used to be cool when I was a kid? People are so boring today.
Congratulations.
Cool. Yeah, cool. Wouldn't it be cool to stop killing people in the Middle East? Wouldn't it be cool to save the thousands of babies that starve to death each day? Wouldn't it be cool to discover how to really take advantage of the plenitude of raw materials right here on Earth that could be used in new ways to replace the ones we're running out of? Wouldn't it be cool to give everybody qualified a university education free to utilize the lost talents now thrown away? Yeah, cool.
Firstly, the people in the Middle East need to stop killing each other, need to stop bombing public places, need to stop bombing buses, need to stop being insane. If they will not stop doing these things by themselves, then they need to be policed.
Secondly, yes it would be cool to save thousands of babies from starving each year. How do you propose to do that?
Thirdly, yes it would be good to work with what we have here first.
Fourthly, I think it would be best to foster learning rather than education. In the sense that "education" today is primarily the pursuit of a degree rather than of knowledge, I think it would be better to provide environments where actual obtainment and comprehension of knowledge is achieved rather than the current rushing from assignment to assignment, focusing more on format than content, and otherwise presenting a valence of short term comprehension in order to merely meet scheduled deadlines. Learning, in my terminology here, is the obtainment and comprehension of knowledge. Education, is the obtainment of a piece of paper.
When I was educated by my elementary school, high school, and college, I learned a hell of a lot. What did you do?
Elementary level, I learned quite a bit up until I was put in public school for two months. For high school level, I taught myself Algebra I & II, Euclidean Geometry, Logic, Ancient, Medieval, and Renaissance history, Chemistry I & II, Physics I & II, Trigonometry, some calculus, Latin, Spanish, etc. For college, I'm just rushing to meet deadlines though, in the midst of wedding plans and preparation, premarital counseling, cleaning my apartment due to a random inspection notice, preparing to move in with my wife in May, and lots of myriads of other necessary things to do approximately simultaneously.
One hour and three minutes and the best attempted insult you could come up with was quoting me? Are you getting lazy or just unimaginative?
16 Feb 2010, 5:38 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Since we seem unable to "conquer" the Sahara Desert, why would anybody want to take over places far less hospitable? Sending robot probes to take a look might make sense. The Moon is relatively in our own back yard and seems not much of a juicy plum lately. Why bother?
Africa in general is a political nightmare, so the Sahara Desert is fairly moot. The deserts in Arizona or Nevada would be more relevant.
You're right about the Moon's proximity though. It would be a logical stepping stone for establishment of a logistics, mining, manufacturing and even hydroponics bases. Its proximity to Earth, stability of orbit, presence of noticeable surface gravity (yet much lower escape velocity than Earth) would make the Moon an ideal base of operations.
Why bother though? Why not? Aside from just being cool to explore things out there, it is a chance to visit other planets and other star systems. Why is there such a lack of interest nowadays in what used to be cool when I was a kid? People are so boring today.
Congratulations.
Cool. Yeah, cool. Wouldn't it be cool to stop killing people in the Middle East? Wouldn't it be cool to save the thousands of babies that starve to death each day? Wouldn't it be cool to discover how to really take advantage of the plenitude of raw materials right here on Earth that could be used in new ways to replace the ones we're running out of? Wouldn't it be cool to give everybody qualified a university education free to utilize the lost talents now thrown away? Yeah, cool.
Firstly, the people in the Middle East need to stop killing each other, need to stop bombing public places, need to stop bombing buses, need to stop being insane. If they will not stop doing these things by themselves, then they need to be policed.
Secondly, yes it would be cool to save thousands of babies from starving each year. How do you propose to do that?
Thirdly, yes it would be good to work with what we have here first.
Fourthly, I think it would be best to foster learning rather than education. In the sense that "education" today is primarily the pursuit of a degree rather than of knowledge, I think it would be better to provide environments where actual obtainment and comprehension of knowledge is achieved rather than the current rushing from assignment to assignment, focusing more on format than content, and otherwise presenting a valence of short term comprehension in order to merely meet scheduled deadlines. Learning, in my terminology here, is the obtainment and comprehension of knowledge. Education, is the obtainment of a piece of paper.
When I was educated by my elementary school, high school, and college, I learned a hell of a lot. What did you do?
Elementary level, I learned quite a bit up until I was put in public school for two months. For high school level, I taught myself Algebra I & II, Euclidean Geometry, Logic, Ancient, Medieval, and Renaissance history, Chemistry I & II, Physics I & II, Trigonometry, some calculus, Latin, Spanish, etc. For college, I'm just rushing to meet deadlines though, in the midst of wedding plans and preparation, premarital counseling, cleaning my apartment due to a random inspection notice, preparing to move in with my wife in May, and lots of myriads of other necessary things to do approximately simultaneously.
One hour and three minutes and the best attempted insult you could come up with was quoting me? Are you getting lazy or just unimaginative?
I've never been anything else but. I'd have thought a very clever fellow like yourself would have noticed by now.
16 Feb 2010, 9:02 am
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Since we seem unable to "conquer" the Sahara Desert, why would anybody want to take over places far less hospitable? Sending robot probes to take a look might make sense. The Moon is relatively in our own back yard and seems not much of a juicy plum lately. Why bother?
Africa in general is a political nightmare, so the Sahara Desert is fairly moot. The deserts in Arizona or Nevada would be more relevant.
You're right about the Moon's proximity though. It would be a logical stepping stone for establishment of a logistics, mining, manufacturing and even hydroponics bases. Its proximity to Earth, stability of orbit, presence of noticeable surface gravity (yet much lower escape velocity than Earth) would make the Moon an ideal base of operations.
Why bother though? Why not? Aside from just being cool to explore things out there, it is a chance to visit other planets and other star systems. Why is there such a lack of interest nowadays in what used to be cool when I was a kid? People are so boring today.
Cool. Yeah, cool. Wouldn't it be cool to stop killing people in the Middle East? Wouldn't it be cool to save the thousands of babies that starve to death each day? Wouldn't it be cool to discover how to really take advantage of the plenitude of raw materials right here on Earth that could be used in new ways to replace the ones we're running out of? Wouldn't it be cool to give everybody qualified a university education free to utilize the lost talents now thrown away? Yeah, cool.
Firstly, the people in the Middle East need to stop killing each other, need to stop bombing public places, need to stop bombing buses, need to stop being insane. If they will not stop doing these things by themselves, then they need to be policed.
Secondly, yes it would be cool to save thousands of babies from starving each year. How do you propose to do that?
Thirdly, yes it would be good to work with what we have here first.
Fourthly, I think it would be best to foster learning rather than education. In the sense that "education" today is primarily the pursuit of a degree rather than of knowledge, I think it would be better to provide environments where actual obtainment and comprehension of knowledge is achieved rather than the current rushing from assignment to assignment, focusing more on format than content, and otherwise presenting a valence of short term comprehension in order to merely meet scheduled deadlines. Learning, in my terminology here, is the obtainment and comprehension of knowledge. Education, is the obtainment of a piece of paper.
When I was educated by my elementary school, high school, and college, I learned a hell of a lot. What did you do?
Elementary level, I learned quite a bit up until I was put in public school for two months. For high school level, I taught myself Algebra I & II, Euclidean Geometry, Logic, Ancient, Medieval, and Renaissance history, Chemistry I & II, Physics I & II, Trigonometry, some calculus, Latin, Spanish, etc. For college, I'm just rushing to meet deadlines though, in the midst of wedding plans and preparation, premarital counseling, cleaning my apartment due to a random inspection notice, preparing to move in with my wife in May, and lots of myriads of other necessary things to do approximately simultaneously.
One hour and three minutes and the best attempted insult you could come up with was quoting me? Are you getting lazy or just unimaginative?
Congratulations.
16 Feb 2010, 1:06 pm
So, is everyone okey-dokey now?
Here is some etymology on the acronym O.K.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okay
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16 Feb 2010, 3:04 pm
Philologos wrote:
Don't you just love how people stick with the original topic?
Omerik, thankee kindly for that last comment. Much in agreement.
Omerik, thankee kindly for that last comment. Much in agreement.
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Philologos wrote:
Well, it feels like Philosophy or Politics to me, and certainly there are implications for a number of religions. So I put it here:
I'm OK, You're OK - Whatever happened to it, anyway? One minute it is big, then all you get is uniformitarianism.
Kind of like the predicted coming Ice Age, which the Global Warming thing has eclipsed.
I'm OK, You're OK - Whatever happened to it, anyway? One minute it is big, then all you get is uniformitarianism.
Kind of like the predicted coming Ice Age, which the Global Warming thing has eclipsed.
I've never heard of this book. But as for the Ice Age hype being replaced by the Global Warming hype, that's really a matter of what is presented by the media as being "more scientific". In this modern high tech "is it a good idea to microwave this" culture, science has been deified, so whatever is presented as having approval by the "majority of true scientists" will be accepted practically without thought and held onto as tightly by the public as any doctrine ever could hope to be.
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16 Feb 2010, 4:16 pm
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I sometimes forget I am an old fogey. Not sure when it was - there was a big move in the mindbending community centered around a book with thde I'l OK You're OK title.
The idea - as I understood it, which means little with so many things in popular culture making little real sense to me - was simple.
I look at you and see that [strange and repulsive though you may be] you are just walking your path and no threat to anyone but yourself. You look at me, and see a magnificent creature going about his own business and celebrating life, albeit weirdly.
SO - I quit trying to reshape you into an imitation me and celebrate your differences, and you don't get upset at me because I don't hold your values.
From which follows sanity, respect, nay iking, world peace and universal love. Or something.
Anyway, the idea though big at the time is now so dead it didn't say anything to you, and I wonder when and how it got dead.
The idea - as I understood it, which means little with so many things in popular culture making little real sense to me - was simple.
I look at you and see that [strange and repulsive though you may be] you are just walking your path and no threat to anyone but yourself. You look at me, and see a magnificent creature going about his own business and celebrating life, albeit weirdly.
SO - I quit trying to reshape you into an imitation me and celebrate your differences, and you don't get upset at me because I don't hold your values.
From which follows sanity, respect, nay iking, world peace and universal love. Or something.
Anyway, the idea though big at the time is now so dead it didn't say anything to you, and I wonder when and how it got dead.
It sounds like a philosophy out of the 1960's through 1970's, and as such most people would have been too high to notice it.
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17 Feb 2010, 12:30 am
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"Are you sure you're OK?"
I'm Enneagram 5w4, so yes; who's the norm around here, anywhere? I do tend to havde that attitude, though of course I exaggerate. It helped - my mother broadcast so strongly that I and my ways and my interests and my ideas and my accomplishments were just not good enough, I had to have ingrained egotism to survive the psychic barrage. She never said it - but you knew it.
My wife points out that in the psych counseling world things move so fast that the I'n OK book was probably dead in the water before the last copy of the first printing was sold. It got big in the university counseling system. Nice idea while it lasted - but I am not sure anyone who went through the program really believed you were both okay. Either I knew I as a loser but said I was OK to make you feel good because you helped me, or I knew you were a loser but said you were OK to make nice and maybe you would get a nice self image and change.
But in general, yes, it is now and has been pretty much all my life GET THAT GREEN MONKEY!
I'm Enneagram 5w4, so yes; who's the norm around here, anywhere? I do tend to havde that attitude, though of course I exaggerate. It helped - my mother broadcast so strongly that I and my ways and my interests and my ideas and my accomplishments were just not good enough, I had to have ingrained egotism to survive the psychic barrage. She never said it - but you knew it.
My wife points out that in the psych counseling world things move so fast that the I'n OK book was probably dead in the water before the last copy of the first printing was sold. It got big in the university counseling system. Nice idea while it lasted - but I am not sure anyone who went through the program really believed you were both okay. Either I knew I as a loser but said I was OK to make you feel good because you helped me, or I knew you were a loser but said you were OK to make nice and maybe you would get a nice self image and change.
But in general, yes, it is now and has been pretty much all my life GET THAT GREEN MONKEY!
I've read this book. It comes from an alternate approach to "Transactional Psychoanalysis" (TPA). Personally I go for the "Pure" approach to TPA, and it's perspective on Psychosocial Gaming.
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