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04 Apr 2011, 5:29 am

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Actually the gas chambers were prototyped on disabled people. Disabled people were divided into two primary groups: Those who were allowed to live (but were usually sterilized and put to work in slave labor), and those who were killed.

The ideas leading up to this were prevalent in many places, not just in Germany, and were part of the eugenics movement, in which the United States played a large role (Hitler admired the United States eugenic policies). Many of the prejudices played on to make all these things possible are still in effect today -- they have never been fully and directly addressed. This is why we still have things like lowered sentencing for killers of disabled people, because like it or not we are still to many people considered "useless eaters," "lives not worth living," "drains on the economy," and so forth. People still think "better dead than disabled," and we still often die as a result of these prejudices when we could otherwise have lived. We are still often killed in institutions and our killers nearly always get away with it. While we are not systematically rounded up and slaughtered, our lives are still not valued, and as long as this is true a very similar thing (whether or not identical in exact form) could easily happen again. In fact I think such things are already in the starting stages, and some people I know who have studied the patterns of genocide agree with me: We are already devalued, dehumanized, and frequently segregated, and our lives already legally have been shown to have less value in the United States and some other places.

Some links on this topic:

http://www.autistics.org/library/thenandnow.html
http://www.geocities.com/growingjoel/murder.html
http://www.mindfreedom.org/mindfreedom/ ... tion.shtml
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/mord.htm

America murders over 800'000 every year through abortion, while the British murder 300'000 yearly.
Not to metion these two bastions of 'freedom' pay people they don't see fit to be sterilized.

Quote:

Charity offers UK drug addicts £200 to be sterilised

Drug addicts across the UK are being offered money to be sterilised by an American charity.

Project Prevention is offering to pay £200 to any drug user in London, Glasgow, Bristol, Leicester and parts of Wales who agrees to be operated on.

The first person in the UK to accept the cash is drug addict "John" from Leicester who says he "should never be a father".

The move has been criticised by some drug charities who work with addicts.

Project Prevention founder Barbara Harris admitted her methods amounted to "bribery", but said it was the only way to stop babies being physically and mentally damaged by drugs during pregnancy.

Drug treatment charity Addaction estimates one million children in the UK are living with parents who abuse drugs.

Pregnant addicts can pass on the dependency to the unborn child, leading to organ and brain damage.

[quote]Damage to children

Speaking to the BBC's Inside Out programme, she said: "The birth mother of my children obviously dabbled in all drugs and alcohol - she literally had a baby every year for eight years.

"I get very angry about the damage that drugs do to these children."

After paying 3,500 addicts across the United States not to have children, she is now visiting parts of the UK blighted by drugs to encourage users to undergo "long-term birth control" for cash.

John, a 38-year-old addict from Leicester, is the first person in the UK to accept money to have a vasectomy after being involved in drugs since he was 12.[quote]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11545519

Eugenics has never ended in reality.

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04 Apr 2011, 9:18 am

NationalSocialist wrote:

America murders over 800'000 every year through abortion, while the British murder 300'000 yearly.
Not to metion these two bastions of 'freedom' pay people they don't see fit to be sterilized.

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Fetuses are NOT people. True, they have a human genome, but they do not have enough brain mass and interconnection density to be human persons.

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04 Apr 2011, 10:54 am

ruveyn wrote:

NationalSocialist wrote:

America murders over 800'000 every year through abortion, while the British murder 300'000 yearly.
Not to metion these two bastions of 'freedom' pay people they don't see fit to be sterilized.

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Fetuses are NOT people. True, they have a human genome, but they do not have enough brain mass and interconnection density to be human persons.

ruveyn

Then at what is someone a human being, you can't arbitrarily draw a line and think you are all knowing.

They used to claim Native Americans and Africans were not people, and they are obviously people.

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04 Apr 2011, 11:58 am

Inuyasha wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

NationalSocialist wrote:

America murders over 800'000 every year through abortion, while the British murder 300'000 yearly.
Not to metion these two bastions of 'freedom' pay people they don't see fit to be sterilized.

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Fetuses are NOT people. True, they have a human genome, but they do not have enough brain mass and interconnection density to be human persons.

ruveyn

This ancient thread is about the holocaust, not the tasteless internet abortion debate that accomplishes nothing that everyone 'enjoyed' last month

NationalSocialist, I'm going to slap your xenophobic face with an uncooked hotdog for bringing this up

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04 Apr 2011, 12:02 pm

ruveyn wrote:

NationalSocialist wrote:

America murders over 800'000 every year through abortion, while the British murder 300'000 yearly.
Not to metion these two bastions of 'freedom' pay people they don't see fit to be sterilized.

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Fetuses are NOT people. True, they have a human genome, but they do not have enough brain mass and interconnection density to be human persons.

ruveyn

This is the sort of answer eugenicists tend to come up with when deciding who is or isn't deserving of life, the fact remains over 800'000 are murdered yearly by eugenicists in the USA alone.

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04 Apr 2011, 12:11 pm

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jamieboy wrote:

I think the person who raised Israel/Palestine did so in extremely poor taste.

Arashi?
it did not bother me maybe i'm not sensitive enough?
racial war was maybe too strong.

I'm in favour of the Palestine cause, it's just that saying "hey you jews! Remember the holocaust when you're dealing with the Palestinians" is an unfair comparison. It is also a bit Racist as the victims of the holocaust are now dead and have no bearing on Israel/ Palestine. I dont know. It doesnt matter anyhow as nobody's offended. You need uber pc liberal do gooders like me to get offended for you :lol:

I see your point. is a little (a lot ham fisted) injecting one hobby horse political view into every conversation.
I think israel is closer to apartied south africa.
though no analogies really apply.

Point of thread the Holocaust was bad.
everyone agrees but NationalSocialist (who is a troll anyway)
end of story.

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04 Apr 2011, 12:22 pm

OK, so I am sure everyone knows what my opinion on people with autism and eugenics today are. So I will say one thing and one thing only:

Gypsy is a derogatory word. No one calls themselves Gypsies. The correct word is Roma or Romani.

There, I am done.

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04 Apr 2011, 1:10 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

jamieboy wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

jamieboy wrote:

I think the person who raised Israel/Palestine did so in extremely poor taste.

Arashi?
it did not bother me maybe i'm not sensitive enough?
racial war was maybe too strong.

The key difference between Israel and apartheid South Africa is that you didn't have people strapping bombs to their kids and blowing them up by remote in crowded marketplaces in South Africa. So even that is a pretty poor comparison.

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04 Apr 2011, 4:30 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

jamieboy wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

jamieboy wrote:

I think the person who raised Israel/Palestine did so in extremely poor taste.

Arashi?
it did not bother me maybe i'm not sensitive enough?
racial war was maybe too strong.

but you did have necklacing endorsed by Winnie Mandela[url=London: The http://century.guardian.co.uk/1980-1989 ... 68,00.html.]Guardian. 27 January 1989.[/url]
and some black led terror. <-- I am still on their side.
but I like violence :lol:

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04 Apr 2011, 4:55 pm

Comparing Israeli attitudes to Nazi German ones is not entirely unfair, both were born in the rabid 'nationalism' of the late 19th century.

The Zionist agenda as promoted by itself has always been the restoration of 'their' divinely gifted homeland which includes 'all lands between the Nile and Euphrates rivers', this is pretty much the entire semitic world! The Zionist extremists believe that they as Jews are the chosen children of god - fortunately most Jews are not Zionists.
Ariel Sharon paraphrased Hitler in saying that the solution to the Palistinian problem was ultimately that they would leave or die. All of this smacks far too much of the ideals of the Nazi party for me to ignore.

Those who forget the past are destined to relive it? certainly so let us not forget the similarity between the abandoning of Shi'ite Muslims to facistic suppression by Sunni just as the Spanish Republic was abandoned to European facism. Let us not forget the 'concentration camps' set up for Mexican 'illegals' in the 1930's, let us not forget the abandonment of the people of Chechnya.....

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04 Apr 2011, 5:11 pm

Israel is not out to exterminate the Palestinians, so this the comparison is disingenious.

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04 Apr 2011, 5:59 pm

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Israel is not out to exterminate the Palestinians, so this the comparison is disingenious.

disingenious = thoughtfull disagreement when a filthy liberal does it.

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04 Apr 2011, 6:03 pm

Anyway, I do recommend a visit to the Holocaust Museum, the next time that you are in Washington.

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04 Apr 2011, 8:46 pm

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You got that PC dreck out of your system? Good. Gypsy, Roma, Zegani. All roses by another name.

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04 Apr 2011, 8:47 pm

ruveyn wrote:

HerrGrimm wrote:

You got that PC dreck out of your system? Good. Gypsy, Roma, Zegani. All roses by another name.

ruveyn

Oh, wow, really? I had some bad information then. Sorry.

EDIT: I heard Gypsy lots around other negative speech. Roma I never have. I should have noticed when I saw the actual German word for Gypsy on my teacher's laptop. Sometimes I am thick.

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