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07 Mar 2010, 7:30 pm

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I never said we would send them somewhere. They just wouldn't be allowed here. If no other country will except them, then they have nowhere to go but some country that has no working government. A place that won't care if they come in, because they have far worse problems than some random murderer.

"Not allowed here" means "send them somewhere else". It isn't as if there is a big neutral ground for people to sit around.

In any case, sending murderers to 3rd world countries doesn't seem very good in general. It probably isn't that bad though, but it certainly isn't that respectful and definitely is a way to cause more problems/deaths in the case of psychopaths.



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07 Mar 2010, 7:43 pm

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I never said we would send them somewhere. They just wouldn't be allowed here. If no other country will except them, then they have nowhere to go but some country that has no working government. A place that won't care if they come in, because they have far worse problems than some random murderer.

"Not allowed here" means "send them somewhere else". It isn't as if there is a big neutral ground for people to sit around.

In any case, sending murderers to 3rd world countries doesn't seem very good in general. It probably isn't that bad though, but it certainly isn't that respectful and definitely is a way to cause more problems/deaths in the case of psychopaths.


I wasn't really serious with that last comment. Although, I still think that both imprisonment and death are both really bad options for many reasons. Exile has it's own flaws, but it has less than the other two. I think it could be made to work, but would require some changes in the system that few are capable of. Maybe in 4096 C.E.


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07 Mar 2010, 7:49 pm

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I wasn't really serious with that last comment. Although, I still think that both imprisonment and death are both really bad options for many reasons. Exile has it's own flaws, but it has less than the other two. I think it could be made to work, but would require some changes in the system that few are capable of. Maybe in 4096 C.E.

I am not sure I really agree with your assessment there. It seems to me that exile has a lot more flaws preventing it from working in the first place. That might be wrong, but I still think that some nations will get wise to the matter.



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07 Mar 2010, 8:16 pm

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fidelis wrote:
I wasn't really serious with that last comment. Although, I still think that both imprisonment and death are both really bad options for many reasons. Exile has it's own flaws, but it has less than the other two. I think it could be made to work, but would require some changes in the system that few are capable of. Maybe in 4096 C.E.

I am not sure I really agree with your assessment there. It seems to me that exile has a lot more flaws preventing it from working in the first place. That might be wrong, but I still think that some nations will get wise to the matter.


I don't think it will happen for a long time because of the difficulties you mentioned, but as technology increases, I think it may become possible. As for now though, your right, it won't happen.


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07 Mar 2010, 8:20 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
fidelis wrote:
I wasn't really serious with that last comment. Although, I still think that both imprisonment and death are both really bad options for many reasons. Exile has it's own flaws, but it has less than the other two. I think it could be made to work, but would require some changes in the system that few are capable of. Maybe in 4096 C.E.

I am not sure I really agree with your assessment there. It seems to me that exile has a lot more flaws preventing it from working in the first place. That might be wrong, but I still think that some nations will get wise to the matter.


The USA has had great difficulty placing suspected terrorists who were found innocent into other countries. These people are no threat to anybody. Yet no one wants them. The concept of dumping murderers, rapists, pedophiles, psychopaths of any stripe, etc on other countries deems a dim and misconceived concept at best. Countries have to solve their own problems, not shove them like polluting garbage on other countries.



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07 Mar 2010, 8:48 pm

If the crime warrants it then, yes, I'm for the death penalty 100%.
Here's my rationale for using the death penalty over life in prison: Anyone incarcerated for life (life as in until they die of old age) has the potential to be released by a future change in laws regarding life in prison. Even the possibility of escape has to be taken into consideration.

If they're dead they're not going anywhere.



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07 Mar 2010, 9:40 pm

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I don't like the death penalty. Proud to be Canadian. Go Canada!!


lucky you :(



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07 Mar 2010, 10:02 pm

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If the crime warrants it then, yes, I'm for the death penalty 100%.
Here's my rationale for using the death penalty over life in prison: Anyone incarcerated for life (life as in until they die of old age) has the potential to be released by a future change in laws regarding life in prison. Even the possibility of escape has to be taken into consideration.

If they're dead they're not going anywhere.


There fore you view all humans irretrievably corrupt. Once they have committed a crime they are stained for life as impossible to ever change. And of course, the many improper convictions which have been revealed make no impact on you at all. The law is always correct in all its judgments and can never be contested.



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07 Mar 2010, 11:30 pm

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There fore you view all humans irretrievably corrupt. Once they have committed a crime they are stained for life as impossible to ever change. And of course, the many improper convictions which have been revealed make no impact on you at all. The law is always correct in all its judgments and can never be contested.


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By crime fitting the death penalty (the topic) we’re not exactly talking about shoplifting.



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07 Mar 2010, 11:39 pm

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There fore you view all humans irretrievably corrupt. Once they have committed a crime they are stained for life as impossible to ever change. And of course, the many improper convictions which have been revealed make no impact on you at all. The law is always correct in all its judgments and can never be contested.


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By crime fitting the death penalty (the topic) we’re not exactly talking about shoplifting.


Exactly. And DNA analysis of convictions in those areas have indicated gross misapplication of justice.



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08 Mar 2010, 6:28 am

In "my" world there would be a crime called "not fit to live"

Some nut job kidnaps, rapes, tortures and eats a child. Is he fit to live? I don't give a "rat's" if he is crazy. Of COURSE he is crazy. So what?

Our ancestors knew the answer to that. Perhaps they very occasionally got the wrong guy but most of the time they didn't.

They didn't have to worry about "will this child molester or rapist or murderer re offend?

People who who have been hanged almost never re offend. In fact I would say never. :D



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08 Mar 2010, 6:43 am

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In "my" world there would be a crime called "not fit to live"

Some nut job kidnaps, rapes, tortures and eats a child. Is he fit to live? I don't give a "rat's" if he is crazy. Of COURSE he is crazy. So what?

Our ancestors knew the answer to that. Perhaps they very occasionally got the wrong guy but most of the time they didn't.

They didn't have to worry about "will this child molester or rapist or murderer re offend?

People who who have been hanged almost never re offend. In fact I would say never. :D


They were hanging black people in the American South for a hundred years after the Civil War and they didn't give a rat's ass about whether they got the right guy or even if the crime was really committed. Evidently that's the kind of justice that appeals to you.



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08 Mar 2010, 7:13 am

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They were hanging black people in the American South for a hundred years after the Civil War and they didn't give a rat's ass about whether they got the right guy or even if the crime was really committed. Evidently that's the kind of justice that appeals to you.


Well, now that you mention it..... . :D

And your point is?



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08 Mar 2010, 7:23 am

Wombat wrote:
Sand wrote:
They were hanging black people in the American South for a hundred years after the Civil War and they didn't give a rat's ass about whether they got the right guy or even if the crime was really committed. Evidently that's the kind of justice that appeals to you.


Well, now that you mention it..... . :D

And your point is?


If you can't figure that out yourself we have nothing to discuss.



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08 Mar 2010, 2:04 pm

Wombat wrote:
In "my" world there would be a crime called "not fit to live"


So then, where's the line between who lives and who is unfit?

And do you think a normal person would think about if they'll get put to death when their committing these crimes?



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08 Mar 2010, 7:19 pm

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. And DNA analysis of convictions in those areas have indicated gross misapplication of justice.



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Well hell, then. Lets just open all the prisons and let everyone out since justice is so haphazardly and unjustly applied. Even the very few that are actually guilty (In your opinion) I'm sure they'll promise to play nice from then on.