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Is it a logical fallacy?
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28 Mar 2010, 1:30 am

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Or it could split the universe into two separate paths. In one the cat would live, but in the other it would die. The cat would be alive and dead at the same time and space, but not in some other dimension. As I am not an expert, nor well acquainted with quantum mechanics, this is just an educated guess on what I think would be a logical possibility.

If you want something more reliable: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80bea ... bject-yet/

It's only a matter of time before we can test the cat paradox.


The multiple universe theory is a well known proposal. I seriously doubt the universe is sprouting continuously but there might be a complex of may universes in simultaneous existence through which each of our consciousnesses might meander. I can't see how this might be confirmed.


Could you please explain that a little more? I don't think I understand. Are you suggesting we each live in our own universe physically as well as mentally, or are you suggesting our consciousness exists in another dimension? As you can tell, I am quite confused.


I merely contend it is possible that what we see as out four dimensional universe is an individual personal conception of a multidimensional complex and, as with space as we see it, the terrain changes very gradually as we move about in this complex with duplicates of everything in these other universes that vary as we move away from any location. So we each may have individual paths through this complex and not be aware we do not see the same "universe" as we move. The you that I addressed a moment ago may not be the same you I address now but they are so similar I cannot know the difference. It's merely a wild idea.


It sounds plausible. Maybe at a quantum level, they could measure a single electron path and see if it being multiple places can produce the effects that your thought would require. You may have something here.


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28 Mar 2010, 4:47 am

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It sounds plausible. Maybe at a quantum level, they could measure a single electron path and see if it being multiple places can produce the effects that your thought would require. You may have something here.


When a quantum indeterminate is measured (i.e. interacted with a physical measuring system) the wave function is collapsed to a definite eigenstate. Quantum indeterminacy is potentiality, not actuality.

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28 Mar 2010, 9:05 am

ruveyn wrote:
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It sounds plausible. Maybe at a quantum level, they could measure a single electron path and see if it being multiple places can produce the effects that your thought would require. You may have something here.


When a quantum indeterminate is measured (i.e. interacted with a physical measuring system) the wave function is collapsed to a definite eigenstate. Quantum indeterminacy is potentiality, not actuality.

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If it's as useless as you make sound, why on earth would anyone want to get a degree in it? I somehow doubt it's purely out of intellectual curiosity.


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28 Mar 2010, 10:14 am

fidelis wrote:
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It sounds plausible. Maybe at a quantum level, they could measure a single electron path and see if it being multiple places can produce the effects that your thought would require. You may have something here.


When a quantum indeterminate is measured (i.e. interacted with a physical measuring system) the wave function is collapsed to a definite eigenstate. Quantum indeterminacy is potentiality, not actuality.

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If it's as useless as you make sound, why on earth would anyone want to get a degree in it? I somehow doubt it's purely out of intellectual curiosity.


To predict the states of a system one must know the eigenvectors and the eigenvalues. The behavior of atoms, subatomic particles, fields etc. cannot be explained without quantum physics. Classical electrodynamics cannot account for the stability of atoms. According to classical theory, the electrons would radiate out their energy in 10^-11 seconds and they would collapse into the nucleus. Bottom line, no natural process in the real world can be explained without quantum theory, with the exception of gravitation. Our best theory of gravitation (Einstein's) is classical.

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