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20 May 2010, 12:10 pm

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The way I see this, is that this is a rule that MUSLIMS agree to. MUSLIMS agree as part of their faith THEY will not depict Mohammad. They shouldn't be in any way forcing this rule on outsiders to their faith. The extremists who keep threatening violence over this most stupid of issues are just doing so to promote their dominance over other cultures and should be resisted at every opportunity.

I can draw the prophet if I damn well please because I'm not MUSLIM.
This is not meant to be antagonistic, but I will not be bullied into following the rules of some faith I'm not a part of.


Exactly. Especially since the Koran dosen't even forbid depicting Muhammad anyway :roll:

To people saying "you haven't seen Muhammad so you shouldn't draw him" - well, you ain't seen Jesus before either, but Christians still draw him, paint him, put him in statues, etc.


Some even poop in a jar and call it Jesus. Of course they call it "art" but that's another issue entirely.


he wa son my toast this morning....but i eated him :cry:


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20 May 2010, 12:15 pm

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20 May 2010, 12:29 pm

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No wonder the Muslims are against their prophet's depiction. :P


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20 May 2010, 2:54 pm

I can see where Sartresue is coming from with this. Yeah... <.< I guess they see how christians (or non-christians) depict their prophet Jesus and i doubt they'd want the same to happen to theirs. =/

All in all, most depictions tend to be based off stereotypes... =/

And i'm not sure but the idea that depictions of Muhammad are prohibited mostly comes from the wahabism current that stemmed from Saudi Arabia. I reckon reading that when the movement kicked up, they destroyed all effigies of the prophet and most works of art. That and, whatever could polute their faith such as western culture. =/ Meh, memory could be failing, but that's what i remember.



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20 May 2010, 3:09 pm

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And i'm not sure but the idea that depictions of Muhammad are prohibited mostly comes from the wahabism current that stemmed from Saudi Arabia. I reckon reading that when the movement kicked up, they destroyed all effigies of the prophet and most works of art. That and, whatever could polute their faith such as western culture. =/ Meh, memory could be failing, but that's what i remember.

Islam forbids any artistic representation of God. Out of "respect" or something Muslims have customarily also refrained from depicting Muhammed, or at least obscured his face when they did so. Some Muslims I know extend this to saying that you should not draw anything with a face- no pictures of humans can have faces, and drawings of animals as well.


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20 May 2010, 3:18 pm

I didn't draw him. I wrote this on my Flickr page instead:

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I wouldn't normally post anything like this but I have been moved to do so by Everyone Draw Mohammed, Jihad Watch, Northern Ireland's David Vance, among others.

I can't draw for toffee so I've borrowed one of the Motoons and stuck the Danish and Union flags on the side.

Free speech is an integral part of our society. Without it our freedoms become meaningless.

Our country has been under threat by totalitarians of all kinds of stripes - first Hitler's Germany, then the terrorists of the IRA and the Soviet Union and our latest threat - Islamic fundamentalism.

Me, I have no issue with peaceful Muslims who want to get on with their lives like the rest of us. I am against the ban on face-coverings which is one of the current policies of my party, UKIP. I believe that this is illiberal and that we should, as equal citizens, be able to wear what we please.

But this freedom of speech thing is non-negotiable I'm afraid. Sorry.

Several instances in which free speech has been threatened in the West by Islamist extremists include:

- The murder of Theo van Gogh
- The leader of the Dutch Party for Freedom having to live under constant police guard
- The entire Danish cartoon fiasco and the intimidation of the Jyllands-Posten cartoonists
- The medieval clothing that Muslim women are often coerced into wearing. I'm against banning it but that doesn't mean I have to like it in the same way that I don't like seeing teenage boys with their underwear showing for the simple reason that it looks utterly ridiculous
- The threatening of the creators of South Park, Trey Parker and Matt Stone

This is not on.

We in Britain have spent centuries fighting to maintain our civil and religious freedoms and we are not about to let it be taken from us by mad mullahs in funny little hats.

Like our Danish friends, we like eating of pork. We like drinking lots of alcohol. We like leering at scantily-clad ladies. You can enjoy all these things too if you like. Or you can choose not to. That's the great thing about choice. But impose your twisted values on the rest of us and there will be big trouble.

This is not an attack on the followers of the Islamic religion. This is chiefly an attack on Islamic fundamentalism and a call for the restoration and maintenance of free speech for all citizens.

This was written after a lengthy session in the pub and a meal composed of pork sausages and mashed potato. Sue me.



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20 May 2010, 4:20 pm

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Free speech is an integral part of our society. Without it our freedoms become meaningless.

Our country has been under threat by totalitarians of all kinds of stripes - first Hitler's Germany, then the terrorists of the IRA and the Soviet Union and our latest threat - Islamic fundamentalism.

But this freedom of speech thing is non-negotiable I'm afraid. Sorry.

Several instances in which free speech has been threatened in the West by Islamist extremists include:

- The murder of Theo van Gogh
- The leader of the Dutch Party for Freedom having to live under constant police guard
- The entire Danish cartoon fiasco and the intimidation of the Jyllands-Posten cartoonists
- The medieval clothing that Muslim women are often coerced into wearing. I'm against banning it but that doesn't mean I have to like it in the same way that I don't like seeing teenage boys with their underwear showing for the simple reason that it looks utterly ridiculous
- The threatening of the creators of South Park, Trey Parker and Matt Stone

This is not on.

We in Britain have spent centuries fighting to maintain our civil and religious freedoms and we are not about to let it be taken from us by mad mullahs in funny little hats.


If our masters had not let Muslims immigrate into Britain, then we'd hardly have to worry about Islamic fundamentalism at all.
I don't think freedom alone suffices as a basis for a cohesive society.

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I am against the ban on face-coverings which is one of the current policies of my party, UKIP. I believe that this is illiberal and that we should, as equal citizens, be able to wear what we please.


I am inclined to support face-coverings too, mainly because I think the sight of Muslim women walking down British high streets with bags over their heads might get some people to stop and think.



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20 May 2010, 4:26 pm

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I look at it like this. Muhammad has no face.. drawing him is offense to some people so why bother? why let something bother you that much.. that you go out of your way to draw it? Yeah you can out of freedom, but it's ignorant. Just leave it alone.

Those were the wisest words I have heard on this topic



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20 May 2010, 4:26 pm

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Of course. Everyone knows that Semitic prophets look like effeminate Northern European men.

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Moses has such lovely piercing blue eyes don't you think?


Well, hopefully one day Jews will manage to break into Hollywood.

Still, it's good to see movies are becoming less Eurocentric. Have you seen who's playing the Norse god Heimdall in Kenneth Branagh's latest movie?

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20 May 2010, 4:46 pm

Freedom, responsibility and justice are the bedrocks of Britishness. I am a civic nationalist, not an ethnic one.



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20 May 2010, 4:47 pm

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Freedom, responsibility and justice are the bedrocks of Britishness.



Huh....and I thought it was queuing and having rather effeminate males. :P


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21 May 2010, 1:39 am

Quanta wrote:
I look at it like this. Muhammad has no face.. drawing him is offense to some people so why bother? why let something bother you that much.. that you go out of your way to draw it? Yeah you can out of freedom, but it's ignorant. Just leave it alone.

Well, he does have a face.
http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_ar ... c_mo_full/

Btw, what's bothering people is death threats and attempted murders.


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21 May 2010, 10:17 am

About face topic

Mo's mug shots. :roll:


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22 May 2010, 7:46 am

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About face topic

Mo's mug shots. :roll:

Your posts are funny. :)


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22 May 2010, 7:02 pm

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22 May 2010, 7:04 pm

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I am torn.

On the one hand, my liberal side says that if one wants to draw Mohammed, burn a US flag, wear a pink triange, paint swastikas on one's house or depict Christ and Mary Magdelene in mid-coitus (or Christ and John for that matter), then one is free to do so.

On the other hand, my pragmatic side says why would one deliberately engage in provocative expression without some larger goal in mind? Taking a privileged, provocative act just because one can strikes me as an invitation to an unnecessary response.

Is speech any freer or free speech any safer from constraint because of this?


The possibility of violent reprisal is an infringement on the right of free speech. A is offended by what B says. Does that give A the right to physically harm B?

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Ruvyen, didn't you once approvingly quote Friedrich Nietzsche saying "Might makes right" when refering to the slaughter of indigenous North Americans?