Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

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The first two are opinions about what ought to be done, and the later two are mistaken factual statements about history. Hope that clears things up for you.

What the "world" eventually knows and remembers is depending on something u never had,
namely ,The ability to see facts and events in a much larger context while all u and the Finkelsteins of this world are capable of is spitting the childish one dimensional demagogue knee jerked propaganda again and again/

"mercy mission","defenseless people","huge concentration camp"
Hope u won't be chocked by your Crocodile Tears
Sorry,but u have the mind of a child which is very charming when u 5 years old but on a grown man it could lead to serious error of judgment

To divide the world into Finkelsteins plus me and everybody else is, if nothing else, a supreme example of Israeli ingenuity. The world has already loudly reacted to the event but it seems rather incredible that all that noise is created by only the Finkelsteins living in Turkey and other civilized places. I do not spit on Israel as the effort is far beyond my exporative ability, considering the distance. But I do shed a tear or two for a country gone insane.

But i don't,most sane ppl just shut up and go on with their life as we know governments and organizations and finkelsteins are just bunch of stupid hypocrites

Here are some vids of the defenseless peace activists in various Ghandy like poses for the few ppl not already blinded by hate
Boarding Marmara

It seems now we are having troubles with "pimples" as well as "you". There are claims that Jews are rather sophisticated intellectually so problems of spelling out "pimples" should not give them trouble. I'm beginning to grasp why Israel is up to its neck in BS. I have heard of Finkelsteins with and without pimples who can not only spell "you" and "Gandhi" but even such novel words like "video". Of course, the ability to think clearly is not always connected to the capability to spell but there are subtle connections. I am suspicious. And intelligent hypocrites are not much use either.

The organizers of the flotilla could have checked with Israel on what humanitarian items they allow through the blockade. They didn't.
The ships could have stopped and been boarded for inspection and searched for items that could be used in terrorist activities. They tried to run the blockade.
When the ships were boarded, the crew and passengers attacked a heavily armed boarding party. If they are activists then surely they would have known how Israelis react to that sort of thing. Israelis stop at nothing to defend themselves and their existence.
I think that killing 9 and wounding 30 was rather kind of them. The Israelis didn't come close to killing everyone they could have justified.

You know, the only reason Israel is so harsh with the Palestinians is because that is what it takes to stop the terrorist attacks. The Palestinians repay Israel's leniency with rocket attacks and suicide bombings, so Israel has to keep the place like a prison camp.

I can understand why you're a right wing gun nut.

They were not heavily armed,fact is they were armed with paint guns and pistols because no one expected the "peace activists" to act so violently
a mistake that turned out to be very fatal

Looks like picking at my spelling is the best u can do but abbreviations such as the ones i uses r quite common on networked media.

Anyway my problems with Finkelsteins like u is the total disregard to hard facts and the insane obsession u have at marking Israel as the worst thing ever existed on earth,
Israel is a f****d up ugly state
All countries are
Politicians and Generals are inherently stupid and useless
That's the way god created them
But when(if) u grow up u may understand that until Jesus returns and anarchism would prevail sanity is defined as the ability to look at "things" relatively
Well
Compared to most countries in the world Israel doesn't fare so bad
It got pretty transparent civil system with free press and better records of human rights than most countries
U e invited to compare the gay rights,women statue,free speech.. we have here to the rest of the world and if u r not totally into denial of facts u'l find out we pretty much on the saner side of the spectrum
Israel also produces impressive amount of scientific and technological work across very diversified fields to the benefits of all
Israel,unlike the USA and Europe had never sent armies half a world across to kill countless innocent lives on order to promote it interests or to fight terror
we fight at our borders
Israel signed a peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan and brought Arafat and the PLO back to the WB so we might negotiate an agreement that would let the 2 countries live peacefully side by side
So far it didn't worked quite well but ppl r still trying and one day it will
and when it does feinkelsteins like u would have to find something else to hate
Hopefully this time it wouldn't concern Jews

I don't hate Israel nor Jews in general since I am of Jewish ancestry and I lived in Israel enough to understand a bit about the place. That the people there have done worthwhile things with their education and their connections makes it all the more sad that people who should know better should act so stupidly. Israel cannot move itself like some Atlantis away from its embedment with the Middle East and it might as well comprehend that Arabs are human and deserving of respect as humans and only in the common humanity of both will lay the security and peace that both need and deserve. I do not claim it is an easy move to accept non-Jews as equal citizens but that is the only way and the proclaimed intellect and culture of Jews should not be contorted into a vicious and ultimately unsuccessful attempt at a master race. That is what they fled from and to adopt that as a premise is to surrender to an endless nightmare. To pretend that Israeli Arabs are treated equally is so obviously a blatant lie that the whole fabric of Jewish intellect is shattered. To isolate and mistreat the Gaza Palestinians is to construct a social explosive that will have repercussions that could, in the end, totally destroy this very small country and that in itself could be a tragedy. Military might could only be a very temporary solution and in the end will prove extremely fragile. Intelligence and humanity is required and that is not in evidence at the moment.

I am merely having a it of fun with your spelling since you seem so rigid and need a few of your balloons punctured..

Describing me as rigid while picking at my spelling is mmm...,let's leave it at that/
Never claimed Israel is is the ultimate best at treating it minorities but if u look at the bigger picture(u really should at least try to do that some times) and considers that the minority in Israel has at least to some degree identifying himself with the side that threaten it existence u might find that the fact that the Arab Minority representatives(PM) can describe Israel in the worst terms(Nazis and such) and take part in all sort of activities against it and still be totally protected and i don't see how this fact sit with your describing Israel as based on a master race ideology(man,Jewish ancestry or not,this really sound antisemitic)
no country around us would permit a Jewish PM let alone letting him criticize it policies in such strong terms or any terms so let me remind u the magic word again,
relatively,
Israel Treats it minorities better than the Finns treat theirs and the Finns don't have any territorial dispute that endangered their existence
Relative to u we are angels,
Remember this word,it might help u achieve sanity one day/

Well, just as a forinstance I cannot recall any Finnish policy of kicking non-Finns out of their houses to install Finns. What is happening in Jerusalem isn't, to my view, a policy worthy of a democratic country. To claim Israeli policy is beyond criticism by looking at many of the corrupt ad vicious policies of other countries in the area does not strike me as a worthy intellectual exercise about a country that claims to be fair to its citizens. Aren't Israelis supposed to be better?

I'm not sure as to why do u think Israelis supposed to be better,
We r not the master race u know,
Just an ordinary ppl,stupid like the rest of humanity
And i never said Israeli policy is beyond criticism
If u look at at the Israeli papers of today you will find a wall to wall agreement on how unbelievable stupid and incompetent our government and army are
What i asked u for is proportions and to get a real proportion u have to look around and compare yourself with how the others are doing
I wrote up front that Israel is a sh%%t hole but if we want to go ahead constructively we had to keep in mind that is no less saner than most countries
And for some reasons to many ppl and establishment are very quick to mark Israel as a scum of the earth any chance they get
this is not helpful at all
I'm not against criticism i'm against the "feinklsteinizm" of the public discussion
Any event,the event discussed her included,have many sides and dimensions,too many times ppl tend to forget it when Israel is concerned
this is bad because it gives power to the radicals on both sides and weaken the more sane real peace loving ppl

I'm all for sanity and applaud it when I see it. When I lived in Israel and had both Arab and Israeli friends I did not find it a s**thole. As with every country I lived in (Germany, France, USA, Finland) each had their own beauty since the Earth is a beautiful place and one cannot expunge that basic where ever a national border is drawn.But the behavior of Israel socially and politically must be judged by standards other than that of surrounding countries and especially so by the long Jewish intellectual and cultural history and I find it most certainly does not live up to those standards. This is a major tragedy.

Activists on the boat chanting about killing jews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk
The Navy told the activists to stop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOmLP4yHb4
Above video of the raid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE

Different view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
Interesting screen cap from that video of a soldier with a paintball gun:


Account by soldier of what happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9p5QT91QYs
Weapons found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM

I've seen the footage by the IDF and al-Jazeera and I'm not sure who started attacking first. My default view is that the navy guys had paintball guns but started getting attacked and were forced to pull out real guns, as they boarded the other five ships without incident so why would this be any different?

Honestly I think the activists got what they wanted. They were warned in advance that they would be boarded and they armed themselves with clubs and knives. The aid to Gaza was secondary to the propaganda resulting from a possible violent confrontation.