Is it anti-semetic....

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Of course they were right to do it, relative to the Ayrian Race that is, though not likely right to any other group.
If they had have succeeded, history would have shown them right. The moral order would've changed, and the purging of the jews would then be seen in a favourable light.
UNLESS there is an absolute morality by which to judge actions as moral or not.... Which there isn't.

They were not correct by any moral code that I recognize, but they acted within their means and the failed in their objective. There assumption of superiority was just that, an assumption, and subsequent facts show how wrong they were. They were not correct; they were deluded. They thought they were acting rationally but they were wrong. In addition to just being wrong, they were wrecked by the "inferior" peoples of the world. Armies of people who were not Aryan Superman came Germany and proceeded to turn it into a pile of rubble and a place of misery. We ground those Herrenvolk into the mud where they apparently belonged.

People generally act on assumptions they think are objectively correct. Most of the time they are wrong. I will bet good money that you think your view of the world and our place in it is correct.

I note in passing that people in the past who thought they were The Greatest turned out to be quite mistaken. Look at Athens. Look at Rome. Look at England.

It was Might that produced the result of the WW2. It turned out that the Jews are smarter and better than the Aryan Superman thought. If the war had lasted six months longer, we would have nuked Dresden. A bit of Jewish revenge. Alas, it was the Japanese who received the business end of Jewish genius in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Not that the didn't deserve it, mind you, but moral symmetry suggests it should have been the Nazis to be nuked, not the Japanese. The Nazis should have been on the receiving end of "Jewish Physics". That would have been a perfect refutation of their crackpot theories on racial superiority.

ruveyn

And, unfortnuately, perhaps, look at Israel, the land of the "chosen ones".

Look beyond a single nation, and see humanity...
Religion has lead us to believe that we are the chosen species...
We were wrong. And we are creating our own destruction by blindly holding onto that belief.

The stronger a "chosen one" is... the more impact their mistakes have... and when that chosen one is a species, the mistakes are global.

The real mistake is in believing that ANYTHING or ANYONE can be "chosen"

The problem inherent in the original question is that Zionism is nowhere defined.

If Zionism is merely the proposition that the State of Israel has a right to exist, then it strikes me as very difficult to oppose this without subscribing to an anti-Semitic sentiment (leaving aside the fact that Palestinians are also Semites...)

On the other hand, if Zionism is the proposition that the State of Israel is right to take all steps within its power to crush the Intifada then that is an entirely different proposition.

The difficulty I see is that there is very little room for a centrist view: that the State of Israel has a right to exist, and a right to demand the security of its borders and sovereignty of its territory; and that the Palestinian people have a right to self determination, free from interference from Israel. The debate has become so polarized into the, "Israel can do no right," and the, "Israel can do no wrong," camps that meaningful discussion is nigh on impossible.

Of course what's done is done and they're a couple generations in at this point so it kinda HAS to exist but before the point of its creation, what right did it have?

I should also like to point out that Hitler, prior to WW2 seeked to expand his territory by force, while the "democratic" powers were turning a blind eye (The Spanish war is a good example, so is the rest of the reunification of Germany) to the misery happening there. We know how that story ended up, uh? Would be kinda wise not to repeat it. ~.~

And yes i know, i just Godwin'd the thread, laugh all you want. <.<

Just as a side note this reverence for Godwin over hushing up reference to the Nazis is a most peculiar reaction. The Hitler episode is strikingly applicable in reference to ongoing human stupidities and should remain as an historical icon if the situation calls for it.

It wouldn't have been just Nazis and Aryan Supermen being killed by the dropping of an atomic bomb. Millions of innocent German men, women and children would have died horribly, as had in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And no, not every German was a Nazi or Anti-Semite. Not each and every one of them was responsible for the Holocaust. There's a huge difference between the likes of mass murderer like Reinhard Heydrich and the little German school child who found himself in burnt out ruins, admittedly due to the evil of his government. And no, just because Germans served in Hitler's army and gave lip service to the Third Reich, it didn't make them accessories to Nazi crimes.
In regard to Dresden, you ought to read Slaughter House Five, by Kurt Vonnegut, who had been a prisoner of war in Dresden at the time of the bombing. Believe me, even as an American soldier, he went away with the feeling what had happened was a war crime.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

But you must understand that ruveyn is convinced that it was the Jews that defeated the Nazis, not the other Americans or the British or the Russians or whatever. Ruveyn is totally delighted in his Jewishness and, unfortunately, there are a group of his fellows who are in total accord with his outlook. As someone of Jewish ancestry I find this unfortunate and it seems quite a few others of my derivation are beginning to feel the same way.

No worries. I never thought every Jew was of that opinion. But thank you for your response, just the same.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

But you must understand that ruveyn is convinced that it was the Jews that defeated the Nazis, not the other Americans or the British or the Russians or whatever. Ruveyn is totally delighted in his Jewishness and, unfortunately, there are a group of his fellows who are in total accord with his outlook. As someone of Jewish ancestry I find this unfortunate and it seems quite a few others of my derivation are beginning to feel the same way.[/quote]

No. No. It was gentiles fighting under the Allied flags that defeated the German. It was the product of Jewish genius (the A-bomb) that ended the war in the Pacific. Unfortunately the A-bomb was not first dropped on the right people. The Germans folded before the A-bomb was ready to drop. Dresden should have been the first city to be nuked, not Hiroshima.

Clearly the overwhelming majority of brave allied soldiers who wrecked Germany were Gentiles. And most of them were not Aryan. So much for Nazi racial theory. It was 99 percent nonsense.

ruveyn

No. No. It was gentiles fighting under the Allied flags that defeated the German. It was the product of Jewish genius (the A-bomb) that ended the war in the Pacific. Unfortunately the A-bomb was not first dropped on the right people. The Germans folded before the A-bomb was ready to drop. Dresden should have been the first city to be nuked, not Hiroshima.

Clearly the overwhelming majority of brave allied soldiers who wrecked Germany were Gentiles. And most of them were not Aryan. So much for Nazi racial theory. It was 99 percent nonsense.

ruveyn[/quote]

It's interesting to discover that Enrico Fermi and a few of the other important scientists involved in the Manhattan Project were Jewish.

It's interesting to discover that Enrico Fermi and a few of the other important scientists involved in the Manhattan Project were Jewish.[/quote]

The fission chain reaction which is the basis of both nuclear weapons and useful energy generators was patented by Leo Szillard, a Jungarian Hew.

ruveyn

And the germans made the rockets right, all the v1s

The fission chain reaction which is the basis of both nuclear weapons and useful energy generators was patented by Leo Szillard, a Jungarian Hew.

ruveyn[/quote]

Ahaa, so there were Hewish involved also. And from Jungar, the place that invented the Jungar Gym. So we can blame the Jungars for bringing this hellish device into a world that so desperately needs powerful tools for terrorists to destroy any city with a technical suitcase. The world is indeed grateful to the Hewish and awaits with bated breath for the first maniac to obliterate masses of innocents in memory of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.