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05 Jun 2010, 4:32 pm

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I see agnostics as generally being more intellectually minded and atheists as generally feeling as though they were.

Do I detect a Christian, through his attribution of intellectualism based upon religious belief (or a lack therof)?

This is why we don't think you are strident enough to make the list. Everybody KNOWS that he is a Christian and young earth creationist. If you are just now detecting it, then I am sorry, you are way too late. :P



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06 Jun 2010, 2:08 am

ruveyn wrote:
Agnosticism is literally "don't know" from its Greek root words.

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Few atheists have argued that "don't know" means lack of belief, and well, if you don't know about X it means that you just don't believe what is claimed about X as belief implies having a level of certainty.
From what I have seen, atheists have categorized agnosticism as weak atheism.


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06 Jun 2010, 6:16 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Asmodeus wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I see agnostics as generally being more intellectually minded and atheists as generally feeling as though they were.

Do I detect a Christian, through his attribution of intellectualism based upon religious belief (or a lack therof)?

This is why we don't think you are strident enough to make the list. Everybody KNOWS that he is a Christian and young earth creationist. If you are just now detecting it, then I am sorry, you are way too late. :P

I already knew he's Chrstian and YEC, I meant that such an attribution originated solely from those beliefs and not his experience. You are confusing my rhetoric for a lack of knowledge. Do you consider yours powerful enough to deserve such a title? :P



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06 Jun 2010, 10:30 am

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Do you consider yours powerful enough to deserve such a title? :P

Have you SEEN how often I use the term STRIDENT?



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06 Jun 2010, 10:40 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
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Do you consider yours powerful enough to deserve such a title? :P

Have you SEEN how often I use the term STRIDENT?

Repetition, non-rational appeal.

Almost a religious approach, wouldn't you agree?



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06 Jun 2010, 10:43 am

In the West the twilight of the gods began 2500 years ago in Ionia (a part of Greece) when natural laws and principles began to replace the whim of the gods. This has continued (although with set backs) to this day. There was a dark period in Western history when the gods reigned and churches ruled. But since the enlightenment the progress started in Ionia has continued. Bit by bit, step by step the grip of the gods on the minds of Westerners is decreasing. The U.S. is one of the last bastion of the gods in the industrialized world, but even here the grip of god is loosening.

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06 Jun 2010, 10:43 am

Asmodeus wrote:
Repetition, non-rational appeal.

Almost a religious approach, wouldn't you agree?

Well.... um..... Dent is a Marxist.

That being said, this is a political approach, a field entirely based upon non-rational appeals and idiotic methods. People are animals and complex, so even non-rational appeals can be powerful and helpful in getting them to make the right choice. (one major online atheist mentions that an insult was what really got him thinking)



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06 Jun 2010, 2:58 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Asmodeus wrote:
Repetition, non-rational appeal.

Almost a religious approach, wouldn't you agree?

Well.... um..... Dent is a Marxist.

That being said, this is a political approach, a field entirely based upon non-rational appeals and idiotic methods. People are animals and complex, so even non-rational appeals can be powerful and helpful in getting them to make the right choice. (one major online atheist mentions that an insult was what really got him thinking)

So you are a popularist atheist, not a rational one?



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06 Jun 2010, 4:42 pm

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So you are a popularist atheist, not a rational one?

I am a skeptic, and a cunning atheist. I don't appeal to being "rational" outside jokes for the simple understanding of the mind that allows me to recognize that ALL people are crazier than they want to think.