The illegals getting in my country and the dispute about it

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that's very illogical. someone who is here illegally is an illegal immigrant or illegal for short. someone here legally is a legal immigrant.

People seeking opportunity, who are desperate for opportunity will seek it. IT is human and to be understood as not a bad or illegal thing. Policies promoting the disallowance of this at any level are not really welcoming policies. That is why new policy is needed to make sure those seeking opportunity where facilitation of work is needed (human recourse supply and demand) should be established in workable policy as to accommodate.

It would be wise to develop a system that would result in the increase of pay and working conditions of people wanting such work.

Illegal in context to this topic, is simply a rude policy. Rather hard working, opportunity seeking and genuin workers seeking to survive.

I never said that illegals were not human, only that they are illegal. The US is only responsible to the citizens of the US, we don't have any reason to care about the final fate of illegal immigrants. For all the US needs to care the illegal immigrants could suddenly all die due to unknown causes. The lives of these people are not the factors that we need to be concerned about, the issues is whether or not these immigrants are good for the US. If they are good for the US then we should allow them, if they are bad for the US then we should not allow them, if it is neutral then it is up to popular opinion of the people.

The matter is whether or not mexican immigrants would be good for America because America is our nation and the illegals are not our people.

Well that's a bit harsh, considering that the agricultural industry in the US could not very well operate without illegal labor.

The world in which some present, in how it is viewed so cold heartedly, is one that I hope does not exist in the times to come.

Sorry dude, but I think the illegals need to go. When Bush, McCain, or anyone else starts talking bullcrap about 'there are jobs Americans won't, or can't do' I get quite offended. Being a person who nearly lost his house not too long ago, I would gladly take one of those jobs 'Americans won't do'! It's just ridicolous for these illegals to be coming in here without a full education, the ability to speak english, and with the gal to protest their (non-existant) 'rights', whilst waving the flag of the very country they risked their lives to escape, and end up getting jobs none the less! What these people are trying to do is, rather do the common sense thing, and try to change their OWN government in thier OWN country, they try to come in, and change ours! It's just retarted, and offensive to poor, blue-collar American workers.

And a Mexican who just took a shower is a wetback because his/her back is wet.

Have you tried changing your government lately? You make it sound so easy. Change is hard, just ask Emiliano Zapata. Oh wait, you can't; he's dead because he tried to change his country's government.

Just becuase Bush policy promotes welcoming in new people into this country, does not mean I'm a bush supporter.

All should be welcome to join this country as long as they are not criminals.

Well, the fact of the matter is that these people are not Americans and we have no responsibility towards them. If they were Mexican citizens then we might have some responsibility towards them out of friendship with Mexico, however, these people are not the lawful subjects of any nation, they fled Mexico to go to a country that does not recognize their status. Perhaps it is cold but the US has never accepted a duty to help its illegal immigrants and they are not protected by our laws due to their lack of legality and their lack of diplomatic immunity. However, the last part of Anandamine's comment does actually make a good argument for immigration by mentioning its effects on the American economy and suggesting it is positive.

Wetback is a racial slur and is acknowledged to be that in reference to illegals swimming across the Rio Grande. If wetback had no racial meaning then yes he would be a wetback because his back is wet, however, the term is a negative reference to illegal Mexican immigrants and calling a Mexican that is insulting to him by suggesting that he is illegal and calling Latin Americans that in general is racism as many of those people are legally here. Calling an illegal immigrant an illegal is not bad because it is the statement of a fact to some extent and just shows that the person does not want to add on all of the syllables of immigrant to this. Saying illegal immigrant over and over would get annoying, so would typing it, therefore we shorten it.


That poster did make it sound too easy but these people should not come over here due to legality and instead they should try to fix their own country or go somewhere legally. The US is not trying to destroy Mexican government so it is not like they are coming over to this country to change our ways in defense, in fact, we have tried to help Mexico with treaties such as NAFTA and the like. Also, don't claim that Mexico is not changing politically, Vicente Fox represents an overthrow of the Mexican 1 party system and the PRI's(correct me if I am wrong, I picked an acronym at random to try to remember the party that dominated mexican politics for so long) stranglehold on Mexican politics. This is not saying that the road to change will be easy, but it shows us that Mexico can change and that Mexicans can do it.

I hear this argument frequently, and it just isn't true. The agriculture business ran without migrant workers from other countries up until world war 2. Why no one seems to think of that is beyond me, but those jobs went to the migrant workers when our men were off at war and when they came back the workers kept the farm jobs, so in the modern context we seem to think that only migrants do those jobs. Anyone recall the dust bowl? Workers going from farm to farm looking for work? Those were caucasian people...

After the war corporations began to take over the US farms. Roosevelt responded to the very dire situation of those white farm workers (the white workers were called "migrant farm workers" btw) and their subsistence income by bringing in a welfare system..times changed...what's your point?

I used to work for a big company in the area I'm in New England it's very hard to find people who will do manual labor jobs we would have adds in for weeks few if any replies since it was a big corp they did not hire you without papers. We tried all kinds of stuff but useally ended up hireing from a service that got jobs for refugees they didn't speak much English but would do the work were as most of the people from the US just complained wanted more for less work we would have gladly hired people from here it would have been easier.

Awesome, it is incorrect to say that the US has no duties or agreements to protect migrant workers or "illegals" as some people choose to call them. There are UN agreements that protect these workers and as of 2003 the US has signed on to these agreements. The agreement comes with the recognition of the "contribution" that such workers provide to the economy.

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/refugees-background-eng

I had very high hopes for Vicente Fox when he was elected El Presidente in 2000, but IMHO, he has turned into a complete disappointment and an ultra-lefty is expected to succeed him later this year (just what the USA needs, someone who'll enact policies that'll drive even more people northward).

I have come to the conclusion that President James K. Polk was right. In the late 1840s, Mexican dictator Antonio Santa Anna attacked the USA after the USA accepted the independant Republic of Texas' petition for annexation and statehood. The US Army cleaned Santa Anna's clock in the resulting war, seizing and occupying *ALL* of Mexico. President Polk, along with many other USAians, wanted to keep the whole thing and add it to the sovereign territory of the USA. Because of other issues of the day relating to slavery and the then delicate balance between the admission of new 'free' states vs. the admission of new 'slave' states (the so-called 'Missouri Compromise'), Congress ordered Polk to give 2/3rds of Mexico back in what became the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo. (The 1/3rd that the USA kept became California, Nevada, Utah and parts of Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming. The Gadsden Purchase a few years later rounded out Arizona and added a bit more land area to New Mexico.)

IMHO, that was one of the worst mistakes that the USA's Congress has ever made.

Mexico of today is run by a class of elites of full-blood European descent that is only interested in enriching itself and top-to-bottom corruption is the way of life. It is in the elites' personal best interest to keep the vast majority of Mexicans (the half European/half Aborigional 'Mestizos') poor and downtrodden. Things have gotten so bad in that regard that the only outlet left is for these 'Mestizos' to head north and a poll last summer found that over 40% of all Mexicans would gladly do so if given the chance, so many of them have lost faith in their own country. Also, the $100-200 at-a-time 'remittences' that the 'Mestizos' whom have moved north, both legally and illegally, send to relatives back home are the country's second biggest source of foreign exchange revenue, something that the ruling elites covet and are not about to give up.

The Mexican 'Mestizo' immigrants here in the Appleton, WI area are some of the most hardworking individuals whom I have ever seen, with a work ethic that puts that of the local native-borns to utter shame. That work ethic is so strong that I can't even begin to imagine how much of an economic powerhouse Mexico would be if not for those über-corrupt ruling elites.

The situation in Mexico is obviously unsustainable and with the utter failure of the Vicente Fox presidency, the only remaining logical ultimate end for the illegal migration problem (and I consider that to be only a symptom of these severe problems within Mexico) is for the USA to undo that mistake of the late 1840s, annex Mexico to the USA, sweep those corrupt elites out of the way and let these common people flurish on their own land as an integral part of North America.

Mike

I know they were called migrant workers. Yes, times have changed, that doesn't mean that the only people who would or could do a particular job is an illegal alien in this country. I keep hearing how agriculture would basically come to a halt and it isn't true. Also, there are plenty of legal immigrants that would do the jobs as well and would be happy to have the illegal ones who lower the wage by accepting less out of the picture. Either way, it is not a good situation for the people here legally, the citizens who pay taxes or the illegals who end up in sub-standard working condidtions with below living wage pay.