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I take it the guy who made that image was not contemporary to JFK?

What a great thread idea!

Barack Obama- D
G. Bush- F

He was not.

For the ones that have been in office during my lifetime...


Clinton: D
Bush II: B-
Obama: F

You must be crazy.

As much as we all like to complain about the media, the fact is that Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, etc are very far outside of the mainstream and most people would not be willing to support the policies that they promote.


Well then, I guess we're screwed, because the current framework is our only option.

Obama's vast plans for the U.S. have turned out to be half vast.

ruveyn

They're very vast...just not in a very positive manner.

How do you know that? If, for 15 or 20 years, the corporate-run media gave these candidates equal time, would people still consider them fringe? Would people still reject their ideas? The average voter probably can't name 1/20 of either of these peoples' platforms, and I'm being generous here.

I think its absurd to think of voters as beings independent of the media, with full-formed notions of what they like and what they dislike. Their preceptions and judgments on various candidates are crucially formed by the corporate-run media of America.

Furthermore, the moderation of the Democrats seems to be bitting them in the arse as people look for populist reprisals against the Banksters who collapsed the system.

Why Clinton sucked

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Did you get the joke?

ruveyn

You don't seem to comprehend just how much media dictates people's beliefs...especially as far as politics goes.

I agree completely. Illustrative case: Russian Presidential election of 1996. Yeltsin went from 2% approval rating to winning a fair election with a landslide vote in a matter of a couple months, thanks to favorable media coverage.

Still, people are not completely devoid of opinions on how they think the country should be run, as evidenced by the incongruity present in many teabaggers who vocally oppose certain programs that they in fact use. People will say (and vote) what they are told they are supposed to believe, but when any issue actually affects them directly they are likely to have an real opinion, sometimes contradictory to their professed ideology (eg a Republican collecting welfare checks or a Democrat bitching about having to pay income tax). Ron Paul wants to eliminate most of the federal government, but I think most people would look at a lot of individual programs and say "yes, I want to keep that."

Obama C+
Bush F
Clinton B-
George HW Bush D+
Reagan C-
Carter C

Haven't been able to see way Obama has accomplished yet, but it seems like a mixed bag. Bush screwed everything up good. Times were good under Clinton, but negative impacts are starting to be seen regarding his policies.

I agree with you there. This is just evidence of all of the selfish, ignorant, and brain-washed people in this country. I love all of the people that b***h about paying high taxes one day, then mention that half their family is on Welfare the next day.

Hrm, i'll try to jump on the bandwagon, for the people i can make an opinion on. =.=

USA : Obama = I'll be waiting for the end to give the grade, the term isn't over until it's over. =/ I had high expextations, i think he "could" still pull it off, but he should get in high gear.

Bush = F , i guess that shouldn't come out as a suprise, seeing all the incompetent things he's done. -.-

Clinton = C , i know little of him, from what i could remember, but i know that during his time, the USA didn't suffer economicly like it did with Bush jr. . That and even today, the guy is still reknowned worldwide. <.<

Canada : Harper = D , his policies are rather harsh, partisanship is ruining attempts at finding a joint solution to the country's problems. Also acts as if he had a majority when he's got a minority. Nonetheless, he is crafty and has done some smart politic decisions (not to say they're good, mind you).

Paul Martin = D + , For all i knew about the guy (which amounts to less than i'd want) he is still less worse than Harper in many regards. Still didn't leave without a few skeletons in his closet.

France : Sarkozy = D+ , he had a good vibe going at the start, even though i voted for the socialists (Fine, sue me! ><), but he seems little more than a clown for the french media -.- Nonetheless, he still suprises me (sometimes) with his speeches (in a somewhat good way). His future is currently uncertain, but at the very least he got me slightly more interested in french politics. =/

Jacques Chirac = D -, from what i recall, France didn't exactly stood out or did anything worth noting while he was in place...

That should be about it -.- Keep in mind my information network might not be as wide as yours. And that it's generally hard to get the big picture, along with the feel of the times.