Evolution of U.S. Politics
ruveyn wrote:
Quartz11 wrote:
It doesn't matter who gets elected, it's all a sham anyway.
The United States is a corporatocracy, the candidates are mere puppets for corporate interests and lobbyists doing their bidding. There is little difference between a Republican or a Democrat. The Republican makes it way too obvious they're in bed with money. The Democrat at least hides the act better.
Aside from a few people like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc... there is nothing worthy in major government offices to pay attention to.
The United States is a corporatocracy, the candidates are mere puppets for corporate interests and lobbyists doing their bidding. There is little difference between a Republican or a Democrat. The Republican makes it way too obvious they're in bed with money. The Democrat at least hides the act better.
Aside from a few people like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc... there is nothing worthy in major government offices to pay attention to.
Sanders and Kucinich want to share wealth they did not produce. That is the problem with socialism. It is based on the zero sum game concept and redistribution of scarcity. It does not deal with growing the wealth to be shared.
ruveyn
I'm not even worried so much on the issue of wealth redistribution and socialism. Just more on the fact they believe that:
- power is in the hands of too few, mostly corporate types and investment bankers. People who are more than willing to screw over the general population to enhance their own salaries and the profit margins of whatever they contribute to
- the massive amounts of greed developing since 1980, and gone considerably worse in the last decade, is detrimental for the common American and their ability to live comfortably
Personally I think that deregulation has been an epic failure for the American middle class. Because this has given corporate power a blank check to do whatever the hell it wants.
ruveyn wrote:
Quartz11 wrote:
It doesn't matter who gets elected, it's all a sham anyway.
The United States is a corporatocracy, the candidates are mere puppets for corporate interests and lobbyists doing their bidding. There is little difference between a Republican or a Democrat. The Republican makes it way too obvious they're in bed with money. The Democrat at least hides the act better.
Aside from a few people like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc... there is nothing worthy in major government offices to pay attention to.
The United States is a corporatocracy, the candidates are mere puppets for corporate interests and lobbyists doing their bidding. There is little difference between a Republican or a Democrat. The Republican makes it way too obvious they're in bed with money. The Democrat at least hides the act better.
Aside from a few people like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc... there is nothing worthy in major government offices to pay attention to.
Sanders and Kucinich want to share wealth they did not produce. That is the problem with socialism. It is based on the zero sum game concept and redistribution of scarcity. It does not deal with growing the wealth to be shared.
ruveyn
Do currency speculators create wealth? Why do they make so much money then? What about hedge fund managers? What wealth have they created? None!
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Orwell wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Orwell wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Actually, it's an attempt to point out the conservatives (stoics) and liberals (epicureans) have existed in politics at both time periods in each Republic.
Hm... conservatives who operate based on greed and a desire to avoid contributing anything of theirs to society are stoic, while liberals, who are in favor of promoting social equality, are epicurean?
Parakeet, what is the weather like on your planet?
I am not sure I am going to perfectly agree with your characterization, Orwell, but I do think you really get at my point without any questions or equivocations.
Well, right, it is a caricature, but the general point stands. In this universe, Republicans are not Stoics and Democrats are not Epicureans.
Conservatives who operate based on greed as stoic, no. It stinks that today many who claim to support moral issues (such as pro-life of babies who have never had a chance to see the world or do anything, pro-capital punishment for those who have seen the world and killed the innocent, anti-terminology and symbol hoarding of activist groups who pollute diction and restrict wardrobe of those who wish not to be associated with them, pro-immigration from Mexico and other countries which are primarily composed of people with a strong work ethic, anti-immigration from places like IRAN, pro-gun ownership, pro-freedom of speech, pro-freedom of church from state, pro-freedom of press, etc.) also tend to support Wal-Fart. I don't like capitalism myself, but I'd prefer it over other systems of government which have historically turned out far worse.
xenon13 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Quartz11 wrote:
It doesn't matter who gets elected, it's all a sham anyway.
The United States is a corporatocracy, the candidates are mere puppets for corporate interests and lobbyists doing their bidding. There is little difference between a Republican or a Democrat. The Republican makes it way too obvious they're in bed with money. The Democrat at least hides the act better.
Aside from a few people like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc... there is nothing worthy in major government offices to pay attention to.
The United States is a corporatocracy, the candidates are mere puppets for corporate interests and lobbyists doing their bidding. There is little difference between a Republican or a Democrat. The Republican makes it way too obvious they're in bed with money. The Democrat at least hides the act better.
Aside from a few people like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc... there is nothing worthy in major government offices to pay attention to.
Sanders and Kucinich want to share wealth they did not produce. That is the problem with socialism. It is based on the zero sum game concept and redistribution of scarcity. It does not deal with growing the wealth to be shared.
ruveyn
Do currency speculators create wealth? Why do they make so much money then? What about hedge fund managers? What wealth have they created? None!
No. But industrialists, engineers, scientists, artists and authors produce things of value and they are just as abused by the likes of Sanders and Kucinich as are Wall Street speculators.
Sanders and Kucinich are dedicated to the proposition that Need should determine who gets what, not productivity or virtue.
ruveyn
Quartz11 wrote:
It doesn't matter who gets elected, it's all a sham anyway.
The United States is a corporatocracy, the candidates are mere puppets for corporate interests and lobbyists doing their bidding. There is little difference between a Republican or a Democrat. The Republican makes it way too obvious they're in bed with money. The Democrat at least hides the act better.
Aside from a few people like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc... there is nothing worthy in major government offices to pay attention to.
The United States is a corporatocracy, the candidates are mere puppets for corporate interests and lobbyists doing their bidding. There is little difference between a Republican or a Democrat. The Republican makes it way too obvious they're in bed with money. The Democrat at least hides the act better.
Aside from a few people like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, etc... there is nothing worthy in major government offices to pay attention to.
This.
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