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20 Aug 2010, 8:53 am

I'm a member of HSUS. I am against the baby seal hunt that goes on in Eastern Canada. I refuse to eat at restaurants that serve Canadian seafood and most definitely refuse to visit any part of Canada. Don't know why it still goes on. I have seen the footages and it just breaks my heart. I call the people who abuse these baby seals words that I can't put on here. I dislike the dog and cat fur trade that goes on in China. I know in some parts of Korea they eat dog meat. It's quite sad really.

If people get a dog, why put it outside in the rain, heat and cold? Bring the dog in. A dog is like a member of a family. Most houses I saw in Seoul always had a dog tied up outside. It angered me. I definitely care more for animals than humans. Reading about someone abusing a defenseless puppy makes me sad. I don't know about the US but we need a more stricter policy against animal abuse. I despise Michael Vick. He shouldn't even be playing NFL. He should be mopping floors for the rest of his life or cleaning poop.


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21 Aug 2010, 6:25 am

I was raised on a farm.
We cared for our cows, pigs, chickens etc.

Yet I can grab a chicken, cut it's head off, pluck, clean and eat it.

I can cut a sheep's throat, hang it up by it's back legs, skin and butcher it.

Foxes eat hens. Hens eat bugs.

We are born carnivores so why should we pretend otherwise?



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21 Aug 2010, 6:53 am

Wombat wrote:
I was raised on a farm.
We cared for our cows, pigs, chickens etc.

Yet I can grab a chicken, cut it's head off, pluck, clean and eat it.

I can cut a sheep's throat, hang it up by it's back legs, skin and butcher it.

Foxes eat hens. Hens eat bugs.

We are born carnivores so why should we pretend otherwise?


I wasn't raised on a farm, and as such I have not been desensitized to allow myself to do such things.

We are not born carnivores, but rather omnivores. We can nutritionally subsist upon a variety of dietary formats.



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21 Aug 2010, 8:05 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Wombat wrote:
I was raised on a farm.
We cared for our cows, pigs, chickens etc.

Yet I can grab a chicken, cut it's head off, pluck, clean and eat it.

I can cut a sheep's throat, hang it up by it's back legs, skin and butcher it.

Foxes eat hens. Hens eat bugs.

We are born carnivores so why should we pretend otherwise?


I wasn't raised on a farm, and as such I have not been desensitized to allow myself to do such things.
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If you are not a vegetarian then you hire other people to do the wet nasty work and you consume the end product of their unpleasant labor. If you a vegetarian then congratulations for being consistent.

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21 Aug 2010, 8:11 am

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Wombat wrote:
I was raised on a farm.
We cared for our cows, pigs, chickens etc.

Yet I can grab a chicken, cut it's head off, pluck, clean and eat it.

I can cut a sheep's throat, hang it up by it's back legs, skin and butcher it.

Foxes eat hens. Hens eat bugs.

We are born carnivores so why should we pretend otherwise?


I wasn't raised on a farm, and as such I have not been desensitized to allow myself to do such things.
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If you are not a vegetarian then you hire other people to do the wet nasty work and you consume the end product of their unpleasant labor. If you a vegetarian then congratulations for being consistent.

ruveyn


I know this already. I have tried to be a vegetarian, but the quality of vegetables from the food shelf is questionable at best and my family seems to think that being a vegetarian is somehow "evil" so it is nearly impossible and practically infeasible, so why bother?



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21 Aug 2010, 10:08 am

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We're at the top of the food chain. I have no obligation to protect the genetic code of competing species. However, there is no reason to cause suffering in animals when it can be avoided. N.B. I do not count slaughtering a cow using modern techniques as undue suffering.

Something which many hardcore animal rights activists don't seem to realise is that many of the animals we kill for food would run the risk of extinction if we eliminated meat-eating.

"Sorry Mrs. cow, we need this land to grow corn because a law is about to be passed that prevents us from eating you. But don't fret, you're going to look simply amazing as one of the last ever pairs of leather boots to be crafted by man. The rarity value alone will set me up for life. Thanks Peta!"

Animals we breed for food get a chance at a life they would otherwise never enjoy. The trade-off for that is being slaughtered and eaten.



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21 Aug 2010, 10:11 am

Spoken like a true Maddox fan. :D

adifferentname has basically said what I would have said.


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21 Aug 2010, 10:30 am

Maddox? :?


I did try a vegan diet for few days and couldn't do it. I do not eat lamb, veal or baby back ribs. I can't have any soy products so I can't be a vegan. :( Soy milk makes me sick. I tried the veggie hot dogs and got so sick from the taste. I do eat veggie burgers as long as they don't have soy. I also tried veggie chicken strips and the taste was awful. But when dining out I do tend to get mostly vegetables. I love to eat seafood such as salmon. I don't eat lobsters or crabs though. The other day I had Vegetarian Pho Noodles and it was actually quite good. I can avoid all poultry and red meats products, but never seafood. Being half Korean I do eat tons of vegetables.


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21 Aug 2010, 11:13 am

luvsterriers wrote:
Maddox? :?


I did try a vegan diet for few days and couldn't do it. I do not eat lamb, veal or baby back ribs. I can't have any soy products so I can't be a vegan. :( Soy milk makes me sick. I tried the veggie hot dogs and got so sick from the taste. I do eat veggie burgers as long as they don't have soy. I also tried veggie chicken strips and the taste was awful. But when dining out I do tend to get mostly vegetables. I love to eat seafood such as salmon. I don't eat lobsters or crabs though. The other day I had Vegetarian Pho Noodles and it was actually quite good. I can avoid all poultry and red meats products, but never seafood. Being half Korean I do eat tons of vegetables.


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Spoken like a true Maddox fan. Very Happy


Maddox always manages to put a smile on my face when I need it. He has a very enjoyable style of presenting his views.



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21 Aug 2010, 2:26 pm

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If you are not a vegetarian then you hire other people to do the wet nasty work and you consume the end product of their unpleasant labor. If you a vegetarian then congratulations for being consistent.

Many people eat meat and can't bring themselves to kill animals or watch them being killed, and that is different than being an activist or defending an idealism. So I don't see a problem of consistency, in general.

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and my family seems to think that being a vegetarian is somehow "evil"

Evil? But, in Heaven no one will eat meat, because death will be abolished, and the wolf will dwell with the lamb.


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21 Aug 2010, 5:08 pm

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When I hear these animal rights activists talking about freeing the animals I immediately think about how we don't life in a free society, we live in one that calls itself free. Let's free people first!


Yes, because kindness toward animals prevents the liberation of people.

Uh-huh.

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21 Aug 2010, 5:14 pm

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We're at the top of the food chain.


Really, now? I'd love to see you explain that to a tiger or grizzly.

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However, there is no reason to cause suffering in animals when it can be avoided. N.B. I do not count slaughtering a cow using modern techniques as undue suffering.


Most of the "techniques" you're condoning here would be considered torture if inflicted on a human being. How could one not consider violence to cause suffering? Is it mental compartmentalisation? There is no real reason to eat animals whatsoever, and many reasons NOT to, which makes the entire process "undue".

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Something which many hardcore animal rights activists don't seem to realise is that many of the animals we kill for food would run the risk of extinction if we eliminated meat-eating.


Does this seem rational to you? To prefer the breeding, torture, and deaths of billions of creatures to their species going extinct? What does it mean, to say that a horrific life of misery for the individual is preferable to non-existence of the species?

Seems to me the most caring thing for the cow in your example would be to NOT kill her. Crazy, I know.

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21 Aug 2010, 5:18 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I know this already. I have tried to be a vegetarian, but the quality of vegetables from the food shelf is questionable at best and my family seems to think that being a vegetarian is somehow "evil" so it is nearly impossible and practically infeasible, so why bother?


...Vegetarians eat far more than vegetables, you know. Why are your dietary preferences dictated by your family? Are you a teenager who's dependent on your parents for food?


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21 Aug 2010, 6:13 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I know this already. I have tried to be a vegetarian, but the quality of vegetables from the food shelf is questionable at best and my family seems to think that being a vegetarian is somehow "evil" so it is nearly impossible and practically infeasible, so why bother?


In that case, try not to think of the wet nasty work that was done to produce your dose of animal protein. Avert your eyes and think beautiful thoughts.

Some wit once wrote that decent people should not see either laws or sausages being made.

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21 Aug 2010, 6:49 pm

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the owner of a junkyard in kansas kept 2 tigers and a male lion in home-made pens, welded at the yard. they lived in these pens, the size of an average bathroom, for years. a high pressure hose was used to clean the cages, with the animals inside. wow, what fun, huh?

only peta came to the rescue of these cats. the owner wasn't breaking any law and other local rescues groups didn't know what to do with them if they could get them.

after long negotiations, and some cash, the owner gave them up. the lion was rehabed and went to live with two female lions at a small zoo. he now had an acre of land to roam and two friends to hang out with. the tigers were harder to deal with but ended up at a large cat sanctuary. they have the best life possible for them.

yeah, peta sucks. what a despicable group. slime. scum of the earth.

what i would like to write to some of the humans who post here, i can't. i don't want to get thrown off wp. i want to be here to respond to you for as long as i can.


The fact that PETA has done some good work does not excuse them from scrutiny and criticism for the times they have shown a complete lack of judgment and done significant harm. I am not fond of militancy in any form, regardless of who the perpetrators believe they are protecting. In a civil nation - which we are - there is ALWAYS a better way.


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21 Aug 2010, 7:02 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I know this already. I have tried to be a vegetarian, but the quality of vegetables from the food shelf is questionable at best

well, how about natural vegetables? and even if you are not vegetarian, vegetables are still an important part of diet.

And well, what is your stance on soy protein from soybeans? as they are supposely a good substitute for red meat, but I'm not sure about how actually 'good' they are, and the problem of allergy from that product. I really don't know about vegetarian diets given that I'm not and I have not cared about that, much less veganism. At least vegetarians consume other animal products.

And yeah, I cannot bring myself to be a vegetarian, because meat is so good, and because there are situations in which I would have to eat some meat, outside home, which seems to make it difficult, and that my family wouldn't like that as well :P


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