What's more believable, Scientology or Christianity?

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18 Jul 2010, 8:34 pm

Scientology fails on at least one of its basic articles of faith - that when Xenu brought the convicts to this world to be blown up by volcanoes, he moved several trillion human-sized creatures on starships the size and shape of a DC-8 (the design was supposed to be a racial memory). These trillions were then packed around volcanoes that are known and active (or at least dormant, not extinct) today. This would have required billions of flights, which, assuming zero-time FTL transit from origin to destination, would still require a nontrivial number of years just for loading and unloading, followed by stacking the captives several miles deep around each volcano. One would think such a mass would have left physical traces of all those thetans in the geological record...

Hubbard was a lousy writer, who stole his basic concepts from stories that Silverberg and Asimov had abandoned as irreparable, then screwed them up further, and sold it as a religion because that was the only way he could make anyone read his crap.

At least the Bible has some poetic passages, and some good moral and ethical lessons in there (really, no matter how atheistic you are, isn't the message that people should be nice to each other a good one?).


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19 Jul 2010, 3:59 am

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Scientology fails on at least one of its basic articles of faith - that when Xenu brought the convicts to this world to be blown up by volcanoes, he moved several trillion human-sized creatures on starships the size and shape of a DC-8 (the design was supposed to be a racial memory). These trillions were then packed around volcanoes that are known and active (or at least dormant, not extinct) today. This would have required billions of flights, which, assuming zero-time FTL transit from origin to destination, would still require a nontrivial number of years just for loading and unloading, followed by stacking the captives several miles deep around each volcano. One would think such a mass would have left physical traces of all those thetans in the geological record...

Hubbard was a lousy writer, who stole his basic concepts from stories that Silverberg and Asimov had abandoned as irreparable, then screwed them up further, and sold it as a religion because that was the only way he could make anyone read his crap.

At least the Bible has some poetic passages, and some good moral and ethical lessons in there (really, no matter how atheistic you are, isn't the message that people should be nice to each other a good one?).


DC-8 doesn't look particularly space-worthy. Doesn't look terribly flight-worthy either. Image


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25 Jul 2010, 11:38 pm

Christianity pretty easily, considering L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer who IIRC said that religion was a good way to make money and then created a religion thats backstory sounded like a bad science fiction novel.



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25 Jul 2010, 11:50 pm

Sand wrote:
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They're both equally unbelievable, except Christianity has the benefit of its principle miracles having supposedly occured a long time ago, meaning it's harder to be sure of the accuracy or inaccuracy of the evidence.


Scientology occurred even longer ago.


Even before Dianetics?


The time an event is documented is not the same as the time the event occurs.

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20 May 2012, 9:55 am

It's possible that they're both true. But I think Scientology is literally true; while Christianity is metaphocally true.



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20 May 2012, 11:48 am

Christianity is, by far, more popular. As everyone knows, the nature of reality has already been decided by majority rules. That is why atheists are wrong. :lol: :wink:


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20 May 2012, 2:23 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Here's an interesting one.

Did God send his son down to perform miracles, get crucified and come back to life, or did Xenu blow aliens up in volcanoes then send their souls into us?

I dunno about you, but to me they both sound as believable as each other :roll:


Both are nonsense.

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21 May 2012, 2:55 pm

Scientology wants to make money. (So it is in my opinion more a company than a religion)
Christianity is not only written by one science fiktion writer.
But also in the Bible are some strange stories. Also in the past many christian leaders made moral mistakes.
In general I dislike it when a religion is connected with a big and authoritarian organization.
(In Christianity you had the choice between different churches more or less organized but there is only one scientology organization)
I would prefer Christianity, but I don't know the truth. (Maybe both is wrong, or scientology is right)



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21 May 2012, 3:02 pm

SillyEnigma wrote:
It's possible that they're both true. But I think Scientology is literally true; while Christianity is metaphocally true.


Alrighty then...



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21 May 2012, 5:00 pm

Scientology is basically a business that is tax exempt in a few countries, as a religious institution. They will sue you if you practice their "beliefs" outside of the "Church"

Neither are particularly believable to me. When it comes down to it though, the events described in the Bible could just be exaggerations of things that actually happened, as there is a level of historicity in it. With Scientology, well, we will never know the truth about Lord Xenu and his empire billions or trillions of years ago


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21 May 2012, 5:11 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Scientology is basically a business that is tax exempt in a few countries, as a religious institution. They will sue you if you practice their "beliefs" outside of the "Church"


Much the same is true of many branches of Christianity, especially the pentecostal movement (others, such as CofE, struggle to even maintain their own buildings). It's all about the marketing. Neither religion is particularly believable, though Christianity is more widely accepted thanks to sheer age.

It's interesting to note that the biggest and most outlandish of Christianity's concepts - the resurrection/son of god thing - is the major selling point, being the far more important message than anything else; this is a "top down" approach. In Scientology, the outlandish stuff is ignored and even downright denied until you've moved up. The initial ideas are much more palatable (pseudopsychiatry, if you will) and members of the religion are introduced to the wackier concepts slowly, from a firmer foundation (a "bottom up" approach).



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21 May 2012, 5:37 pm

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Neither!
الله أكبر! الإسلام هو الطريق الصحيح! الإسلام هو دين السلام!


If God is great why are there any Muslims alive in the world?

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21 May 2012, 5:40 pm

Thom_Fuleri wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Scientology is basically a business that is tax exempt in a few countries, as a religious institution. They will sue you if you practice their "beliefs" outside of the "Church"


Much the same is true of many branches of Christianity, especially the pentecostal movement (others, such as CofE, struggle to even maintain their own buildings). It's all about the marketing. Neither religion is particularly believable, though Christianity is more widely accepted thanks to sheer age.

It's interesting to note that the biggest and most outlandish of Christianity's concepts - the resurrection/son of god thing - is the major selling point, being the far more important message than anything else; this is a "top down" approach. In Scientology, the outlandish stuff is ignored and even downright denied until you've moved up. The initial ideas are much more palatable (pseudopsychiatry, if you will) and members of the religion are introduced to the wackier concepts slowly, from a firmer foundation (a "bottom up" approach).


I think with any radical idea that is the key. With any cult. Once they have their hooks in, and they know you will believe whatever they say, they will enlighten you with their "truth"

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الله أكبر! الإسلام هو الطريق الصحيح! الإسلام هو دين السلام!


If God is great why are there any Muslims alive in the world?

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*snort* cannot suppress laughter... :lmao:


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21 May 2012, 6:43 pm

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DC-8 doesn't look particularly space-worthy. Doesn't look terribly flight-worthy either. Image


That is an old picture. Modern jet engines are much more efficient and much less smoky than they used to be.

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21 May 2012, 7:20 pm

If you don't know about the evidence for each, then they both sound equally implausible. But actually, there is much better evidence for Christianity than for Scientology. In fact, there is no evidence for the aliens-and-bombs bit of Scientology, except for people "remembering" it, and we all know how easy it is to play tricks on somebody's memory.

Christianity, however, has some decent evidence. It's not enough to overcome my personal prior of "miracles don't happen", but it is there. For example, most ancient historians agree that Jesus existed. The suicidal zeal of the earliest Christians is not what you might expect from a cult whose leader had just been publically proven wrong. And the Christian story is odd in many ways, and is not the sort of story that you would expect anyone in that particular Jewish context to make up.



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21 May 2012, 7:23 pm

ruveyn wrote:
That is an old picture. Modern jet engines are much more efficient and much less smoky than they used to be.

ruveyn


The DC-8s heyday was in the 60s and 70s, most of them were retired long ago. I believe there are a few still in operation, but nonetheless most pictures of DC-8s come from that era.

As far as the OP, I will answer simply answer by asking whether there is more evidence for a teapot or an electric kettle in orbit around Pluto.