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27 Sep 2010, 6:16 pm

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In order to have an income to live off of SOMEONE ELSE has to be WILLING to pay you. How many people are willing to pay someone to clean their toilet and shovel their sh** when they can do it themselves for free? Or are you expecting the homeless to shovel sh** for free just so you don't have to look down on them quite so much? Good luck with that.


Some people need their toilets cleaned. Others need their sh*t shoveled. It is real work.

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Why do you seem to think that all homeless people are capable of doing is humiliating minimum-wage jobs? Have you ever watched the movie "The Pursuit of Happyness" (which was, by the way, based on a true story)?



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27 Sep 2010, 7:01 pm

Minimum wage is by no means a living wage. One could easily work 2 or three minimum wage jobs and still not be able to afford the basics, especially in a situation with dependants.



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27 Sep 2010, 7:07 pm

If I can survive, anyone can.



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27 Sep 2010, 7:07 pm

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27 Sep 2010, 7:24 pm

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If I can survive, anyone can.

Not true. Your experiences do not represent everyone's experiences. There are people out there who, for whatever reason, find it hard to keep themselves alive and well. I mean, what about mentally ill people or people who are illiterate? It's very hard for either of those types of people to get a job at all, much less earn enough money to live on.



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27 Sep 2010, 7:30 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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In order to have an income to live off of SOMEONE ELSE has to be WILLING to pay you. How many people are willing to pay someone to clean their toilet and shovel their sh** when they can do it themselves for free? Or are you expecting the homeless to shovel sh** for free just so you don't have to look down on them quite so much? Good luck with that.


Some people need their toilets cleaned. Others need their sh*t shoveled. It is real work.


If I make a $700,000 salary some day I'm going to build myself a mansion without any indoor plumbing just so I can hire all the local homeless people to fetch me water and shovel out the commode after I take a #2. Wait! I realized it would probably be much more convenient for me to pay for indoor plumbing and simply give away a fraction of my salary to the homeless. But then I'd just be enabling them to be lazy and we can't have that. F***! !!



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27 Sep 2010, 7:30 pm

quiet_dove wrote:
Meadow wrote:
If I can survive, anyone can.

Not true. Your experiences do not represent everyone's experiences. There are people out there who, for whatever reason, find it hard to keep themselves alive and well. I mean, what about mentally ill people or people who are illiterate? It's very hard for either of those types of people to get a job at all, much less earn enough money to live on.


Then for God's sake, would someone please help them! Don't just sit here talking to me about it. If you are so compelled, do something.



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27 Sep 2010, 7:50 pm

Meadow wrote:
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Meadow wrote:
If I can survive, anyone can.

Not true. Your experiences do not represent everyone's experiences. There are people out there who, for whatever reason, find it hard to keep themselves alive and well. I mean, what about mentally ill people or people who are illiterate? It's very hard for either of those types of people to get a job at all, much less earn enough money to live on.


Then for God's sake, would someone please help them! Don't just sit here talking to me about it. If you are so compelled, do something.

I do try to help others in whatever way I can. That's made difficult by the fact that I have social anxiety that is so severe that simply being in the presence of other human beings makes me uncomfortable, as does having to attempt to have a conversation with others. Trust me, though, I'm not all talk.


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27 Sep 2010, 7:55 pm

quiet_dove wrote:
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quiet_dove wrote:
Meadow wrote:
If I can survive, anyone can.

Not true. Your experiences do not represent everyone's experiences. There are people out there who, for whatever reason, find it hard to keep themselves alive and well. I mean, what about mentally ill people or people who are illiterate? It's very hard for either of those types of people to get a job at all, much less earn enough money to live on.


Then for God's sake, would someone please help them! Don't just sit here talking to me about it. If you are so compelled, do something.

I do try to help others in whatever way I can. That's made difficult by the fact that I have social anxiety that is so severe that simply being in the presence of other human beings makes me uncomfortable, as does having to attempt to have a conversation with others. Trust me, though, I'm not all talk.


I understand.



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27 Sep 2010, 10:26 pm

quiet_dove wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:

In order to have an income to live off of SOMEONE ELSE has to be WILLING to pay you. How many people are willing to pay someone to clean their toilet and shovel their sh** when they can do it themselves for free? Or are you expecting the homeless to shovel sh** for free just so you don't have to look down on them quite so much? Good luck with that.


Some people need their toilets cleaned. Others need their sh*t shoveled. It is real work.

ruveyn

Why do you seem to think that all homeless people are capable of doing is humiliating minimum-wage jobs? Have you ever watched the movie "The Pursuit of Happyness" (which was, by the way, based on a true story)?



I was homeless for more the 10 years,very few people seemed to care or help,occasionaly,As of today my income places me near the top (in israely terms) because it turned out i am naturally gifted programmer which is somthing that allways in demand,everywhere and if u r expetionally good at it u get paid a lot/
As too many AS knows being very smart or/and sensitive can sometimes works against you,at least that the way it is in the current crappy society
I never cared too much for money and i still don't (it seems that's the man in the vid feels the same (take all u f##king money ,just let me have my love) and never cared for respected job(to me most ,if not all high, posisions are ocupied by pigs ) and didn't care at the time doing just everything but homlessness is a disgrace to society,
every one deserve a decent shelter and proper food,
for god's sake, we are at 2010 and the amount of resources organizations and individuals spend on the unneccesary,vane,narcistic is measures by trilions
letting this man have a roof and food and his dog cost nothing compared to the sums society invest in evil doing and supporting the stinking rich/



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27 Sep 2010, 11:28 pm

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Is there anyone here willing to share his house with a homeless person? Is there anyone here willing to buy a house for a homeless person? If not, then be still.


i have shared my modest tin can with several different "down on their luck" people including my own homeless brother. expecting just one person to be able to gather sufficiently enormous fundage to actually buy an entire house for another person is patently unreasonable an expectation for anybody to have. that is why i support taxation from the general fund or from "sin taxes" to help social programs. many people paying a few pennies on the dollar is more practical. i'd rather have a homeless person in their own shelter, courtesy of society in general, than on my doorstep. and since i was homeless more than once, i'd rather be in a shelter than on somebody else's doorstep. just reasonable self-interest on my part.



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27 Sep 2010, 11:32 pm

I don't feel sorry for anyone, except for animals.



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27 Sep 2010, 11:36 pm

Meadow wrote:
I don't feel sorry for anyone, except for animals.


I feel sorry for you



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27 Sep 2010, 11:42 pm

nara44 wrote:
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I don't feel sorry for anyone, except for animals.


I feel sorry for you


I'm sorry if you took what I said personally. I have been through a lot and have reason to say whatever I do. Nothing whatsoever to do with you.



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27 Sep 2010, 11:52 pm

Meadow wrote:
If I can survive, anyone can.


Except those who didn't.



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27 Sep 2010, 11:55 pm

Meadow wrote:
nara44 wrote:
Meadow wrote:
I don't feel sorry for anyone, except for animals.


I feel sorry for you


I'm sorry if you took what I said personally. I have been through a lot and have reason to say whatever I do. Nothing whatsoever to do with you.


No,
I didn't took it personally and since i believe i shared some and understand some of the horrors u may experinced from the hand of the so called "humanity" i really feel sorry for you,
The most apealing fact of my work as a programmer is that it saves me from the necessity of being with and communicating with people
For most part of my life i went to really great length in order to avoid human beings
I prefer complete isolation to the alternative and i wasn't born this way.