What Is the Truth About God, and His Purpose for the Earth?

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I wrote "I inserted premise 2". I paid attention to "if we can build", the issue is that if we assume the building, then my argument seems to work, and if it works, then your conclusion from that is false.

nara, I am likely both more honest and intellectually sound than you are. This may seem cold, insulting, and arrogant, but I would bet that this is a fact. I put more effort into making a clear argument in that last go around than I think you have in making your position clear.

I think it may seem a matter of interpretation or a matter of constructing the premises. "God is not where religion is" could not be meant to be a strict assertion such as "God cannot be where any religion is" , given that the premise does not seem to clearly denote an impossibility and it can be interpreted to express a current situation (a criticism towards Christianity), I see why the interpretation though, but I also see that the strictest sense isn't that necessarily a unique conclusion.

Pat and Ron topic

I was not referring to Sand or Pat(ricia) or Ron. Izing is not my thing.

The lady in question is someone I have known for some time. She is a relative and |I would not interfere in her beliefs.

It very easily could be, and perhaps I need to be more sensitive of that. I will admit that in some sense my premise was sort of a joke, but then again, I would expect a joke to have a better rebuttal.

Exactly,
Being "too logic" is illogic and infantile,meanings should be interpreted in the context they were expressed,brains that are disconnected from the heart produce stupid thoughts no matter how polished they seem to be.
I can sense the smell of someone who argues to win,for the argument sake ,people like that usually lacks a true passion or interest in the subject and are mainly in the business of showing off
and that what i meant by "dishonesty",
it is difficult to understand another human being and my English is not that good(my native language is Hebrew which is different from western languages at many aspects and levels) but if someone want to understand what i am talking about i believe it could be done,
Clearly i like debating ,but not for the sake of the debate but for the chance of getting somewhere with the topic or issue and i think i can sense the difference.
BTW
Many aspies found themselves too many times in a situation where their passion for a subject , their multi layered,"patterned", multi linked, context oriented perception made it impossible to present and discussed their opinion honestly ,especially when faced with one dimensional perception.
This is why i don't talk at all in real life
and this is why i find programming such a better way to express my self because our spoken languages are not suited well to convey "networked",context aware, information, and as such we are too dependent on the receiver state of mind,it is very easy to misinterpret an involved or multi dimensional information
Many of AS difficulties in life stem from this very annoying fact
I think that in order to advance any topic both sides should share at least some similarities of attitude,intention and capabilities other wise it's like talking to the wall and is boring and frustrating
( I do not necessarily claim that i am the "good guy" and it is always the others fault but since we are in an aspie world the association that jumped into my mind felt like it might be expressed anyway)

It's OK, i am known to laugh at the wrong places and times and to be inappropriately too serious at others/

I believe in God but I dont think that God is something we could imagine. The only possible purpose to life, if there is one, is to experience life on the animal plane, with its many harsh, horrible, and also some beautiful lessons.

I have enjoyed laughing at all concepts of God for a long time. That any human crawling over the crust of a negligible particle of dust known as the Earth has the temerity to declaim a knowledge of the mind of an assumed creator of the entire universe which is unimaginably huge is one of the best jokes of all time.

U sound like a true believer.

The concept of God as presented by religions never made me laugh,it just boring,very,but to me,the idea of seemingly unworthy specks of nothingness dreaming,fighting,pretending,investigating and generally making a lot of noise in an attempt to get close and to know their creator,imaginary or not,is very appealing.
Besides, a value system that places too much weight on the size of things makes me feel very uncomfortable because i detest hierarchical systems and concepts,
I'm an anarchist and as such doesn't see the link between the huge and the tiny as an impossibility,
Science is constantly looking for the smallest things in order to understand the biggest picture,
In the industry i work for the smallest the better,
What's wrong with that ?
If anything, the ability to see in a speck of dust the entire universe could be a sign to the wonder of creation,
The problem with the religious concept of God is that they see him as a big,bad parent,an almighty king(the same way u do)
i see him in a speck of dust/

I'll go along with that. I'm pretty good with a duster.

Wish u could help me with that
my place
is always
a mess

We people who distress ourselves with nebulous philosophies frequently find worldly things a bit overwhelming. I also live in controlled chaos but dusting is a cinch.

Eh, yeah, well, part of the issue was that I think your point on religion was a social point. I expected some rebuttal to emphasize this, rather than just dismissing what I said. This often leads me to greater seriousness.

I think this is nonsense. One, "too logical" does not mean "illogical", it just can mean a lack of mental flexibility needed to arrive at certain conclusions/process things correctly. There is no reason to believe that this function is really the same as logic.

Even further, I don't really see your point on brains and hearts as valid.
1) Everybody has emotions and is somewhat motivated by them.
2) While some emotion is a good thing, a lot is often a bad thing, as it results in an inability to reason well on the topic.


I am the leader of the strident atheists. I do have some interest in the topic of religion, and my interest in the topic is skepticism towards the major claims. I hardly regard this as passionlessness.


I really wouldn't consider those the same. Dishonesty often refers to a person who is processing a matter in an obviously wrong way, or just a person who is lying.


There is no topic here really. God does not exist and is just a creation of a highly evolved monkey.