At what point can the NAACP be disbanded?

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Or am I rather just confusing?

Whatever you like.

I think the worry about what life will be like when demographics change and the balance of power shifts (not necessarily to any one group, just weighs differently than today) is a natural one. When I read the first page, what I saw more was the fear of change, and I think that is something society does need to address. Or has that already been discussed in other threads? Sorry, I'm only sort of kind of partly paying attention

If it hasn't, this is my summary of why I consider it an important discussion:

I've noticed that it seems to be a whole lot easier for people to think multi-culturally when they are the majority, and their position in the majority is not threatened. A group of 100 people getting mad about one orange person moving in is acting racist; using their power to squash that one orange person. But lets say you've got 10 members of the Jones family and 10 members of the Smith family sharing a house, but not actually integrating or getting along that well. Still, because of the balance, everyone so far has had a fair voice. Now the Smiths have 10 more relatives that want to move in, and you're a Jones, but have no more family members to add. Are you going to fear that your interests will no longer be considered? Of course you are, and no one would call that fear racist. The question raised in this thread is far more complicated, and there are many more natural mitigating factors at work, but it is still the same fear, and society needs to address it.

Yes, integration / intermarrying is probably the biggest mitigating factor against racism that exists in a society.

And it also helps with the fear that you will become a minority with no voice: as long as you have family members in the majority, you will know you have a voice.

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Exactly how is the NAACP hurting you?

They would probably need to exist as long as the blacks are a minority, which is for a conceivable future at least. In a system like this, advocacy organisations are needed because segments of the population want them in order to further their own interests - interests which might be completely legitimate.

You don't see it as a problem that blacks in general are over-represented in terms of unemployment and incarceration in America?

And if you are lucky they can hide you in the attic when the stormtroopers come.

I don't see why the numbers matter when deciding whether or not it is racist. They may affect how rational the fear is but racist is still racist. Anyway, The first one in is the thin end of the wedge. The slippery slope

At the onset of the Vietnam war, wasn't it the north, "purebred", Vietnamese would were killing off the southern Vietnamese because they had interbred with the "evil" "imperialist" French? I don't know all the details, but this is one thing I had heard from a coworker once who's married to a Vietnamese lady. Perhaps it is a mitigating factor to racism, but if what I heard was true then there is at least one historical example of this failing.

I think a better strategy is just to stop emphasizing races, especially from government schools. The more emphasis made ex cathedra the more dichotomy of thought.

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When did I say that? I don't think there is some monolithic "white majority" that is persecuting "ethnic minorities", however individual racism still exists.


I don't think there needs to be more "federal programs" to help minorities. Enforcing existing anti-discrimination laws should be enough. The only way equality can be acheived is through cultural changes and alleviation of fears on both sides. I don't think there's much that government can do, but people can't expect the problems to be gone overnight. It's not about how whites can "accomodate" minorities IMO. At this point both sides have to do their part.


I just don't get how you think I am being persecution against for being white? I just don't see it. Fear of being discriminated against for being white is the farthest thing from my mind.

You know, I was trying assuage fear, not feed it ... and extending upon my example in another post of the Jones trying to live with the Smiths.

Bad can happen anywhere, of course. And, of course, the perpetuation of evil has nothing to do with race, even though it often gets painted with that brush.

I care a lot about what you think when these topics come up, btw. You've lived a different side of it than I have. And, well, I probably still have a lot of personal growth to go through.

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When someone believes that the first one is the thin end of the wedge, when it comes to worrying about their own interests eventually being squashed, that is racist, in my opinion: a fear that has no basis in reality.

But when the fear comes at the point where a person is about to go from majority to minority, it is a lot more imminent. Sure, there is a racist element, but that is no longer the overriding element, because now some rational arguments about human nature and group think start to creep in. You can look at history and see what can potentially happen (which is not to say it will). Am I suggesting they are right to be afraid? No, I'm not. I am saying it is understandable. How people feel about things is based on a whole smorgasbord of input, and race and cultural history are included. It isn't as easy as, "it isn't right to feel that way," because people do feel that way, and they are acting within the parameters of normal human nature when they do. People who don't want to think of themselves as racist will find all sorts of PC friendly covers to avoid being the minority in the room, but they're still reacting to the fear; I've seen it with the local schools. It is that pervasiveness even in one of the most vocally accepting parts of the country that leads me to feel it is a natural fear, and not just one born of hate. I don't like it, and none of us should, but it isn't productive to call large swaths of well meaning people racist, and society can't fix what it prefers to hide under more PC covers and pretend does not exist.

If we want to evolve beyond that, we have to address it.

All that said, I don't think that fearing the upcoming demographic tipping point is a rational fear for several reasons, mostly because it really is not as simple as Jones' now being outnumbered by Smiths:

1) There is no one current minority group that will suddenly become the new majority, and the various different minority groups do not share a single agenda or otherwise act in a unified fashion.
2) The laws put on the books don't limit themselves to current minorities; they address a concept, not one group, and should turn to apply to protect any group that suddenly becomes targeted.
3) More and more families will belong to multiple groups.

I would hope that their birthrates plummet over the natural course of time, but i see nothing to suggest that it won't continue to increase exponentially like a pyramid scheme.

The problem is also that White populations worldwide are reproducing well below replacement rate, so even if the minority population(s) did not increase in an overly fecund manner, if Whites continue to die out at the current rate, the end result would be similar. Its the barren "Demographic Winter," with the white populations rapidly imploding worldwide.




I would not view a mixed society as a desireable outcome.




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Were Peter and his companions good tenants?
No! During their stay they caused a great deal of damage, and Evelyn was extremely unhappy. His estate steward reported that Peter's party, which was full of 'right nasty' people, had wrecked the house and garden. Carpets were left filthy with grease and ink, and many paintings looked as if they had been used for shooting targets. Locks and windows were broken, and every one of the 50 chairs in the house had vanished, probably burned on fires!

A very keen gardener, Evelyn was appalled by damage to his prized holly hedges, lovingly cared for over a 20 year period. Apparently Peter and his friends had played a riotous game which involved pushing each other through the hedges in wheelbarrows! The King's Surveyor, Sir Christopher Wren was ordered to report on the damage, and recommended that Evelyn be paid £350 in compensation, a huge sum in the 17th century.




I don't view black people as intrinsic to my paradigm. Black culture has no place in my social ideal, so it must be kept separate from the structure I wish to create. In fact, black culture is diametrically contrary to my social ideal.

If they wish to take some American territory and go form their own state, that is fine by me. They can manage themselves.

I see it though as the government is already giving black people enough "set asides" and accommodations and all of that, and when it comes to things like getting entry-level posts in the civil service, black people are already "more equal."

And if black people are getting "overrepresented" for incarceration, then mabye they should stop committing crimes at such a high rate? Some liberals seem to expect to let black criminals go free, or to lock up innocent whites for the sake of balance.

As far as unemployment goes, the Federal government is doing a fine job anyway expanding the bloated bureaucracy with their own quotas.



I was referring to what Ska said............."So what you're saying is that the majority will persecute the minority the same as the current majority persecutes the current minority. " He states verbatum as much.


I do agree with this, but I don't view an unstable equilibrium of 4 or 5 equally balanced minority groups as a desireable outcome. It may be a similar situation to Europe in 1914 with 5 or 6 equally balanced great powers all at eachothers throats. I would not view an America which was 30% or so white desireable. I'd prefer to get it back up to 80-90% white as it was prior to the 1970's. I see no reason why America should so change or why whites should even accept, even if some think it "will be good for them"? It would be far better just to return it to the way it was.

I think an America with an overwhelmingly dominant white majority would be far more peaceful. If America was 100% white, it would never have to worry about any racial tension at all, at least internally.

"chris rock said it, i can totally say it about people who are the opposite of who he was even talking about and i'll just say "nigerian" 'cause it's not racist that way!"





maybe the naacp will no longer be necessary when the minority groups for whom they advocate are no longer minorities. i would hope that it would change it's name to the national association for the advancement of colored people to the national association for the advancement of minority people or something along those lines.

fortunately, most of america is just fine with interracial relationships and as racist fools die off, more and more multiracial children will be born and we'll run out of reasons to promote/denigrate people based on the color of their skin. as a country, we've been working on this for a long time and we're still working on it. the reasons to oppose this progress would be laughable if the people who believed them weren't so sickeningly real.

until then, could racist white people stfu and stop making the rest of us look bad? seriously. "ohnoes! 13% black people! they're after us!" if ALL of them were racist toward white people, you racist white people would still outnumber them.

scapegoating is not troubleshooting.

Blacks don't seem to multiplying at any great rate. As long as you can speak some Spanish you should be fine.

I wonder how easy it will be for the Republicans to get elected in 2050.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Projections

Conjugal visits aren't universally allowed.


/that was horrible
//what's more horrible is the stats relating to the disproportionate number of blacks in jail in the US
///almost every incarceration is a failure by society

Now I'll call a spade a spade: that sort of thinking, that an all white or near all white population is better, is what I consider racist (maybe reword to homogeneous?). And you need to understand that history teaches us that when the obvious differences are removed, people will start to distinguish themselves using the less obvious ones; your perceived enemy will change from the person with the different skin color to the person with a different religion, or a different nose, or some other factor. There seems to be a certain amount of human instinct that does not want to be peaceful and you really cannot blame that on the mixing of races. If anything, societies overall seem to have become more peaceful the more they've been forced to confront and learn to integrate differences. Not right away, but over time.

There can be no "just let it return" to the way it was, you know that, right? That would require huge and forceful displacement, something that never goes well. The demographic changes we have right now haven't happened due to any one factor; they have been a slow and natural evolution in response to hundreds of factors. We don't really have the power to stop that even if we wanted to. The minute you think you've stopped one flow you'll discover there was another one that law A didn't address. No one sat down and said, "bring in minorities! We need to be more diverse!" It just happened. If you are going to blame anyone for the unnatural pieces of it, that would be the slave traders, wouldn't it? Quite possibly our own ancestors.

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