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09 Nov 2010, 10:28 pm

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I find this deep-down hilarious, as my criticism towards you on a number of occasions in political theology is that "I frankly don't see how any Christian whose read the Bible could believe what you believe" and "Read the Bible in context".

As such, I really don't think that these people were worse exegetes than you probably are now. They're just pig-headed people who hold to an interpretation because it fits their basic politics, and then go forward along with it.


How about you deliberately ignoring the fact that most people in the time period you are referring to didn't even know how to read and would believe what corrupt men told them.

Christians today would lock a nut going out to burn a witch in a padded room restrained by a straight jacket.

You make a blanket statement to condemn an entire religion to promote your ideology. You are blatently ignoring the facts that caused people to go along with the lunacy being preached by incompetitent idiots of priests that couldn't even read or were in the back pocket of corrupt noblemen. Not to mention almost nobody in that era knew how to read outside of the clergy.



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09 Nov 2010, 10:34 pm

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How about you deliberately ignoring the fact that most people in the time period you are referring to didn't even know how to read and would believe what corrupt men told them.

Christians today would lock a nut going out to burn a witch in a padded room restrained by a straight jacket.

You make a blanket statement to condemn an entire religion to promote your ideology. You are blatently ignoring the facts that caused people to go along with the lunacy being preached by incompetitent idiots of priests that couldn't even read or were in the back pocket of corrupt noblemen. Not to mention almost nobody in that era knew how to read outside of the clergy.

Umm... Inuyasha, I was specifically criticizing a particular poster's argument based upon past interactions I had with them. My comments on past peoples are really beside the point. My point is that zer0netgain's argument seems hypocritical to me, period. The historical details of it all, really don't have a lot of relevance, as I was addressing him more than Christianity.

That being said, I think you've written out a rebuttal based entirely off of misunderstanding me.



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09 Nov 2010, 10:47 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

How about you deliberately ignoring the fact that most people in the time period you are referring to didn't even know how to read and would believe what corrupt men told them.

Christians today would lock a nut going out to burn a witch in a padded room restrained by a straight jacket.

You make a blanket statement to condemn an entire religion to promote your ideology. You are blatently ignoring the facts that caused people to go along with the lunacy being preached by incompetitent idiots of priests that couldn't even read or were in the back pocket of corrupt noblemen. Not to mention almost nobody in that era knew how to read outside of the clergy.

Umm... Inuyasha, I was specifically criticizing a particular poster's argument based upon past interactions I had with them. My comments on past peoples are really beside the point. My point is that zer0netgain's argument seems hypocritical to me, period. The historical details of it all, really don't have a lot of relevance, as I was addressing him more than Christianity.

That being said, I think you've written out a rebuttal based entirely off of misunderstanding me.


AG, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't New England Puritans some of the most literate, biblically versed people of the time? So, even if the historical details mattered, it looks like Inuyasha made an unsound argument.


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09 Nov 2010, 10:50 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

How about you deliberately ignoring the fact that most people in the time period you are referring to didn't even know how to read and would believe what corrupt men told them.

Christians today would lock a nut going out to burn a witch in a padded room restrained by a straight jacket.

You make a blanket statement to condemn an entire religion to promote your ideology. You are blatently ignoring the facts that caused people to go along with the lunacy being preached by incompetitent idiots of priests that couldn't even read or were in the back pocket of corrupt noblemen. Not to mention almost nobody in that era knew how to read outside of the clergy.

Umm... Inuyasha, I was specifically criticizing a particular poster's argument based upon past interactions I had with them. My comments on past peoples are really beside the point. My point is that zer0netgain's argument seems hypocritical to me, period. The historical details of it all, really don't have a lot of relevance, as I was addressing him more than Christianity.

That being said, I think you've written out a rebuttal based entirely off of misunderstanding me.


AG, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't New England Puritans some of the most literate, biblically versed people of the time? So, even if the historical details mattered, it looks like Inuyasha made an unsound argument.


The Puritans were also lunatic cultlike fanatics... They pretty much got kicked out of England. Also you can't blame the Quakers and the Amish for what the Puritans did.



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09 Nov 2010, 10:52 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
AG, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't New England Puritans some of the most literate, biblically versed people of the time? So, even if the historical details mattered, it looks like Inuyasha made an unsound argument.

Well, you're pretty much right. I mean, there are modern conservative Christians who look up to the New England Puritans, so... yeah, I wasn't even addressing that aspect of it, because Inuyasha was still criticizing me for wrong reasons, but yes, the New England Puritans probably knew their bibles better than most of the people here do. It is probably hard to identify a more literate and biblically versed group.

I kind of missed the point there as for some reason I was only think of the Catholics.



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10 Nov 2010, 1:55 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
AG, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't New England Puritans some of the most literate, biblically versed people of the time? So, even if the historical details mattered, it looks like Inuyasha made an unsound argument.


Thanks Master_P, I was just about to hit reply and point that out.

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Well, you're pretty much right. I mean, there are modern conservative Christians who look up to the New England Puritans, so... yeah, I wasn't even addressing that aspect of it, because Inuyasha was still criticizing me for wrong reasons, but yes, the New England Puritans probably knew their bibles better than most of the people here do. It is probably hard to identify a more literate and biblically versed group.


Exactly. Its my understanding that biblical readings were considered an admirable leisure activity since it was a vehicle for religious/social training. Which was the whole focus of their society. They even taught their women to read in a time when that was uncommon.

Inuyasha is using his imagination to be a apologist.


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10 Nov 2010, 8:50 am

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Master_Pedant wrote:
AG, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't New England Puritans some of the most literate, biblically versed people of the time? So, even if the historical details mattered, it looks like Inuyasha made an unsound argument.


Thanks Master_P, I was just about to hit reply and point that out.

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Well, you're pretty much right. I mean, there are modern conservative Christians who look up to the New England Puritans, so... yeah, I wasn't even addressing that aspect of it, because Inuyasha was still criticizing me for wrong reasons, but yes, the New England Puritans probably knew their bibles better than most of the people here do. It is probably hard to identify a more literate and biblically versed group.


Exactly. Its my understanding that biblical readings were considered an admirable leisure activity since it was a vehicle for religious/social training. Which was the whole focus of their society. They even taught their women to read in a time when that was uncommon.

Inuyasha is using his imagination to be a apologist.


Or thinking of an earlier time period, before the printing press had made the bible so widespread, and a working knowledge of Latin was required to read the handful of editions that existed in Europe. THEN, ignorance would work as an excuse.


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10 Nov 2010, 8:56 am

Inuyasha wrote:
The Puritans were also lunatic cultlike fanatics... They pretty much got kicked out of England. Also you can't blame the Quakers and the Amish for what the Puritans did.

I also tend to think that this is what Christianity kind of entails though. Being "kicked out of England" also isn't impressive given the religious turmoil of the time.

The Quakers and Amish are more questionable on a Biblical basis.



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10 Nov 2010, 11:50 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

How about you deliberately ignoring the fact that most people in the time period you are referring to didn't even know how to read and would believe what corrupt men told them.

Christians today would lock a nut going out to burn a witch in a padded room restrained by a straight jacket.

You make a blanket statement to condemn an entire religion to promote your ideology. You are blatently ignoring the facts that caused people to go along with the lunacy being preached by incompetitent idiots of priests that couldn't even read or were in the back pocket of corrupt noblemen. Not to mention almost nobody in that era knew how to read outside of the clergy.

Umm... Inuyasha, I was specifically criticizing a particular poster's argument based upon past interactions I had with them. My comments on past peoples are really beside the point. My point is that zer0netgain's argument seems hypocritical to me, period. The historical details of it all, really don't have a lot of relevance, as I was addressing him more than Christianity.

That being said, I think you've written out a rebuttal based entirely off of misunderstanding me.


AG, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't New England Puritans some of the most literate, biblically versed people of the time? So, even if the historical details mattered, it looks like Inuyasha made an unsound argument.


The Puritans were also lunatic cultlike fanatics... They pretty much got kicked out of England. Also you can't blame the Quakers and the Amish for what the Puritans did.


Calling the Puritans "lunatics" doesn't really debunk my point, which was a rebuttal of your claim (bolded above) that the only reason commoners engaged in witch-burning was because they couldn't see the awe-inspiring, pacifstic text of the bible. The Purtains did and knew it a lot more than half-arse nominal Christians did (be they then or now). The words of the bible, obviously, didn't strike them as anti-burning of witches.


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10 Nov 2010, 2:48 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

How about you deliberately ignoring the fact that most people in the time period you are referring to didn't even know how to read and would believe what corrupt men told them.

Christians today would lock a nut going out to burn a witch in a padded room restrained by a straight jacket.

You make a blanket statement to condemn an entire religion to promote your ideology. You are blatently ignoring the facts that caused people to go along with the lunacy being preached by incompetitent idiots of priests that couldn't even read or were in the back pocket of corrupt noblemen. Not to mention almost nobody in that era knew how to read outside of the clergy.

Umm... Inuyasha, I was specifically criticizing a particular poster's argument based upon past interactions I had with them. My comments on past peoples are really beside the point. My point is that zer0netgain's argument seems hypocritical to me, period. The historical details of it all, really don't have a lot of relevance, as I was addressing him more than Christianity.

That being said, I think you've written out a rebuttal based entirely off of misunderstanding me.


AG, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't New England Puritans some of the most literate, biblically versed people of the time? So, even if the historical details mattered, it looks like Inuyasha made an unsound argument.


The Puritans were also lunatic cultlike fanatics... They pretty much got kicked out of England. Also you can't blame the Quakers and the Amish for what the Puritans did.


Calling the Puritans "lunatics" doesn't really debunk my point, which was a rebuttal of your claim (bolded above) that the only reason commoners engaged in witch-burning was because they couldn't see the awe-inspiring, pacifstic text of the bible. The Purtains did and knew it a lot more than half-arse nominal Christians did (be they then or now). The words of the bible, obviously, didn't strike them as anti-burning of witches.


That'll be because of the passage where it tells you to kill witches. Its pretty "pro" witch execution.


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