Whats with all the hate on liberalism or socialism/

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The fact is the cold war drained a lot of both Russia and the US leaving hollow shells of 2* once great nations (regardless of your politics you can't deny the soviet union was a great power that few in the world could rival),I hope people will notice this fact and realize its not to late we can rebound but things are going to have to change and some toes will be stepped on but in the end it will be for the best for both rich and poor and when I say this don't let you think I am am supporting either side because I state again I think the republican and libertarian view of income inequality and the poor of this nation is atrocious and they understand the lives of these people and reevaluate their beliefs because when I see the lives of the rich when compared to that of the poor from unbiased sources mind you it reaffirms my beliefs on the issue that its needs to change that these people are victims and its is not there fault they are in that position and no ones seems to care about their plight.We do all this help for developing countries that gives them the false idea that all is well in eagleland when we do nothing for own poor but have the gall to lecture the rest of the world for their fault we should real avoid them like the plague less we make another antagonistic hell hole like Cuba and Iran both of countries current situation is our fault.Hell you can even say without a reasonable doubt that North Korea wouldn't exist if MacArthur didn't disobey order and go to north to tick Mao off.Now Venezuela on the other hand would not be the way it is now if we never had American companies making so called banana republics so to maximize profit through cheap and oppressed labor controlled by American backed dictatorships. There is a lesson to be learned from all this.

Explain that Quebec is in better shape that other states in North America beside politics who would be qualififed as "socialist" in USA.
(For all pratical purpose Quebec state is capiltalist, but some far-right people may see it as "communist".)

Because tolerance shouldn't hinge on how agreeable someones views are to your own. If you support these people who violate their laws to bring about policy they think is right you support fascism.(If i have somehow made this comparison in mistake I would like someone other than marshall to explain to me why and if possible how)



Legislation that was brought forth through representation. They can move to another state you know. A state where they can live as they please. To be blunt one side operated within the laws of this country the other did not I will not support abuse of power to bring about justice or equality and neither should you. Moving between states is pretty damn easy. They are not forcing their ideals upon the state the legislative is making a law they think agrees with their peoples views. If it turns out to be otherwise I'm sure a new legislative will soon overturn the law.

I have heard nothing but good things about Quebec to the point where I would love to live there later hell it would bring it full circle because my for fathers came down to Rhode Island from Quebec for all I know a branch of my family still lives there.That and the hall of records could help me trace my past on my dads side since we know everything about my mom's side who are also from Quebec.Due to my last name I also wouldn't come off to weird either which would make integration easier. I don't think it's socialist to be able to work and make an honest days pay and have a decent life which is nigh to impossible in America unless you were able to go to college which is why I plan to go because I see the difficulty it brings hell it wasn't even my parents choice not to go.

Don't get your hopes too high either. I will say that right now it's better that in USA, at least from what I know about USA; but it's not to the point of be some kind of a Eden Garden. There is problem there too, like everywhere else. Also, lately it's mostly the right-wingers (though some would qualifying them as "socialist" in USA ) who drive the political discourse, propably having to do with the growing importance of the far-right in the giant right to the south of the frontier.

I'll take anything a tad bit better than it is here,trust its really bad.We the republicans in charge its only gonna get worse.At least you guys got healthcare that more than we can say about our system.One of the changes the democrats needs is that they need to grow a pair and brag about how they helped to mitigate the anger to say are you really gonna get better shake from the guys whose policy's got us in this mess.

But when you in what America's become I guess anywhere that's not here seems like paradise.

you seem to have ignored MagnusArmstrong's point, or worse yet, to have subverted it to mean that struggling folk simply are just faking it. and on the subject of religion, i am sure you would protest if somebody made you pray to allah and swear to allah, yet you take umbrage at atheists who object [for the same reason] to being made to pray to god and swear to god.

humanity seems to be terminally flawed, doesn't it? i don't know what god sees in us. so much work, so little reward.

I think we were more of a failed science experiment to see if it would work out or be a complete well we all say its failed so far we panned out worse then olestra.As far as religion goes I think at this point god is so cynical to the point he doesn't care what your are because there are so many religions of all of them more or less equally crazy but he doesn't exist in reality. I don't know how a libertarian or any other anti-socialist or handout can celebrate Halloween or Christmas because you are pretty much using your money to buy gifts or candy that you then give to people who neither earned it or deserved it other than knocking on your door on a specific day in a costume or being related or a friend of someone.People do it while expecting nothing in return well I got say hats a handout if their ever was one.But I guess in only economically feasible once a year respectively.All because culture demands it of anyone that is Christmas or recognizes Christmas for relatives and your considered crazy if you hate halloween why aren't there people telling American culture to stay out of our lives,I will tell you why because is (insert expletive here) crazy.

and like olestra ushers fat out of the digestive system, the earth will eventually host conditions that flush the human infestation out of its system, and say good riddance.

Sorry about the misunderstanding - sure there are times when I wonder about progress being made but that comment had to do with the Right pretending we're still in the Middle Ages and that famine is always around the corner and this is why we must banish people to the forest.

I can be intolerant without violating any laws. I don't see why I should be forced to be civil with people who want to use the law to denigrate and dehumanize gays.

It is right for the majority to force discrimination upon a minority? So might makes right (in terms of numbers) is your philosophy?


Yea right. Maybe one day there'll be a referendum vote to decide whether fundamentalist Christians should be allowed to marry in your state. Then when it passes all Christians will have to move if they want to marry.

Moving is not "damn easy". And laws are not always right or moral or just. The voting public are not infallable either. Sometimes civil disobediance is necessary to make a point about unjust and dehumanizing laws. You push people down they are going to fight back. Deal with it.

Keep in mind the thread of the conversation was not leaning towards legal intolerance, your response was a question that was basically asking why shouldn't I track down and harass those who disagree with me(bigots in this instance), an illegal activity. I don't see how banning gay marriage is denigrating, explain? As for dehumanizing I hardly see how being unable to legally marry dehumanizes them. Marriage is not a requirement to be a human. I most certainly wont be getting married for the foreseeable future, the current system is useless for anything but exploitation as far as I'm concerned. I don't know of anyone who would call me inhuman for declining the social construct of marriage.



My philosophies didn't setup my country. But this is how my country(America) works(majority rules) within bounds, eventually sexual preference may become protected by the constitution but for now it is not. Also this isn't about whats right and whats wrong this is about whether or not a states legislative branch has the right to make a law banning gay marriage as of now it does, these judges did not have the legal right to strike down the law. That makes the actions they took as a judge wrong regardless of how you or I might feel. If all judges are allowed to dictate law from his or her bench we will have anarchy.




That would be discrimination against religion such an action would be extremely unlikely.



Are you saying you believe violence is acceptable when a law conflicts with your personal moral convictions?(keep in mind this would be agreeing with certain violent religious fanatics who think a religious theocracy would be much better for us) Also moving between states is relative to moving between countries extremely easy. No one and nothing is infallible and I didn't even imply it, and unless your claiming you know the perfect system of government for every situation your point is moot. As for your last sentence instinct is not an excuse for being violent, there are usually(and in the case of America always) legal options.(peaceful protest, economic dominance, media, education, various others) Violence is in the way excusable when pushing for change in current America.

EDIT: Just in case you try and make the point that civil disobedience isn't always violent.(which it isn't aka I agree) This started with you asking why certain pro-gay marriage people shouldn't harass bigots(who are against gay marriage). A violent action of civil disobediance.

Only reason I posted a topic criticizing Atheism was because they were bashing Christianity. I brought up the idea of posting a topic criticizing Atheism, and they said "Go ahead." They have no business complaining about me posting the topic.