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28 Nov 2010, 6:55 pm

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One's personal vulgarity is another's deeply meaningful and personal art statement.

Sure, but that is not the question here. The question here is about whether it is ethical for an entertainer to hide behind alleged "artistry" in order to push that personal vulgarity and immorality toward others. Someone can always get up and walk away or turn of the TV set, of course, but even that does not address the question at hand.


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28 Nov 2010, 7:04 pm

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Again: I tend to like TV shows such as "Criminal Minds", yet some of the "art" displayed there (either visually or verbally) is really nothing greater than pandering ... and I find that whoredom to be unethical.

That tells me nothing. I don't even own a television.



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28 Nov 2010, 7:05 pm

leejosepho wrote:
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One's personal vulgarity is another's deeply meaningful and personal art statement.

Sure, but that is not the question here. The question here is about whether it is ethical for an entertainer to hide behind alleged "artistry" in order to push that personal vulgarity and immorality toward others. Someone can always get up and walk away or turn of the TV set, of course, but even that does not address the question at hand.

I still don't know what the issue at hand really is.



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28 Nov 2010, 7:17 pm

I will say there is a harmful lack of ethic in entertainment. Not as much as the the presence of violence as the way the violence is presented. From the Hollywood movies and series peoples come to see, in a simplistic way, violence as the "solution". It also make peoples more easily manipulated like when Bush pushed war in Irak under the argument of destroying "evil".


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29 Nov 2010, 9:28 am

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I still don't know what the issue at hand really is.

Is there an ethic, a morality, an accountability and/or any social responsibility to be considered and held up within the entertainment industry?


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29 Nov 2010, 10:38 am

leejosepho wrote:
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I still don't know what the issue at hand really is.

Is there an ethic, a morality, an accountability and/or any social responsibility to be considered and held up within the entertainment industry?


Yes: There is the principle: Leave them happy and leave them wanting more.

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29 Nov 2010, 11:31 am

ruveyn wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I still don't know what the issue at hand really is.

Is there an ethic, a morality, an accountability and/or any social responsibility to be considered and held up within the entertainment industry?


Yes: There is the principle: Leave them happy and leave them wanting more.

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In other words, it's ethical if they get their money's worth.



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29 Nov 2010, 11:31 am

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In other words, it's ethical if they get their money's worth.


That is very close to my definition of ethics.

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29 Nov 2010, 11:47 am

leejosepho wrote:
The question here is about whether it is ethical for an entertainer to hide behind alleged "artistry" in order to push that personal vulgarity and immorality toward others.


Who are you to question artistic merit of another's work and to dictate what their motives are?


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30 Nov 2010, 10:00 am

I think there's a distinct difference between art and entertainment. Entertainment is an industry (business) that feeds off profit. Art is more about expression. The two do not always go hand in hand. IMO, art should be free of the concerns of others, but I can see an argument for ethical responsibility regarding the entertainment industry. But then the question becomes "what falls under which category?" IMO, anything that is produced by a third party tends to fall under the entertainment category, but of course, not always. I guess it's just a matter of taste.



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30 Nov 2010, 10:47 am

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I think there's a distinct difference between art and entertainment. Entertainment is an industry (business) that feeds off profit. Art is more about expression. The two do not always go hand in hand. IMO, art should be free of the concerns of others, but I can see an argument for ethical responsibility regarding the entertainment industry. But then the question becomes "what falls under which category?" IMO, anything that is produced by a third party tends to fall under the entertainment category, but of course, not always. I guess it's just a matter of taste.


There are different kinds of art. To toss away drama as an art form is a pretty drastic concept. Just about all drama is for money and it only generates money because it is art. It takes art to entertain someone.



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30 Nov 2010, 10:56 am

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30 Nov 2010, 11:01 am

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That the Holocaust occurred is undoubted truth. I cannot sympathize that you find it beautiful.



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30 Nov 2010, 11:01 am

Sand wrote:
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I think there's a distinct difference between art and entertainment. Entertainment is an industry (business) that feeds off profit. Art is more about expression. The two do not always go hand in hand. IMO, art should be free of the concerns of others, but I can see an argument for ethical responsibility regarding the entertainment industry. But then the question becomes "what falls under which category?" IMO, anything that is produced by a third party tends to fall under the entertainment category, but of course, not always. I guess it's just a matter of taste.


There are different kinds of art. To toss away drama as an art form is a pretty drastic concept. Just about all drama is for money and it only generates money because it is art. It takes art to entertain someone.


A matter of taste. I think of art as being more raw. Once an art is contrived for a paying audience, I feel like something is often lost. Not always, of course. Personally, I tend to enjoy independent forms of art much more than produced art, but that's my own personal taste. Many people find Justin Bieber and CSI Miami artful, and that's fine.



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30 Nov 2010, 11:11 am

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I think there's a distinct difference between art and entertainment. Entertainment is an industry (business) that feeds off profit. Art is more about expression. The two do not always go hand in hand. IMO, art should be free of the concerns of others, but I can see an argument for ethical responsibility regarding the entertainment industry. But then the question becomes "what falls under which category?" IMO, anything that is produced by a third party tends to fall under the entertainment category, but of course, not always. I guess it's just a matter of taste.


There are different kinds of art. To toss away drama as an art form is a pretty drastic concept. Just about all drama is for money and it only generates money because it is art. It takes art to entertain someone.


A matter of taste. I think of art as being more raw. Once an art is contrived for a paying audience, I feel like something is often lost. Not always, of course. Personally, I tend to enjoy independent forms of art much more than produced art, but that's my own personal taste. Many people find Justin Bieber and CSI Miami artful, and that's fine.


The many forms of art require a certain familiarity with each form to appreciate their approaches. And within each form there are many variations. The Marx Brothers and Mickey Mouse undoubtedly have appeal to different audiences although I admire both.and they both make lots of money and require a good deal of art. No individual can sensibly declare any art form out of bounds whatever their personal taste.



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30 Nov 2010, 12:09 pm

Sand wrote:
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Sand wrote:
number5 wrote:
I think there's a distinct difference between art and entertainment. Entertainment is an industry (business) that feeds off profit. Art is more about expression. The two do not always go hand in hand. IMO, art should be free of the concerns of others, but I can see an argument for ethical responsibility regarding the entertainment industry. But then the question becomes "what falls under which category?" IMO, anything that is produced by a third party tends to fall under the entertainment category, but of course, not always. I guess it's just a matter of taste.


There are different kinds of art. To toss away drama as an art form is a pretty drastic concept. Just about all drama is for money and it only generates money because it is art. It takes art to entertain someone.


A matter of taste. I think of art as being more raw. Once an art is contrived for a paying audience, I feel like something is often lost. Not always, of course. Personally, I tend to enjoy independent forms of art much more than produced art, but that's my own personal taste. Many people find Justin Bieber and CSI Miami artful, and that's fine.


The many forms of art require a certain familiarity with each form to appreciate their approaches. And within each form there are many variations. The Marx Brothers and Mickey Mouse undoubtedly have appeal to different audiences although I admire both.and they both make lots of money and require a good deal of art. No individual can sensibly declare any art form out of bounds whatever their personal taste.


Perhaps I misarticulated (made up word?) my point. All I'm trying to say is that entertainment is not always art and art is not always entertainment. Where those differences occur is completely subjective, but there are differences.

A better example might be a game show. Certainly a form of entertainment, but is it art?