Elites, Right Wing ones especially, want unemployment
People bluff a lot. The fact of the matter is that doctors take advantage of a lot of protective measures thanks to Congress. As a matter of fact, malpractice is only a very small part of the problem of physicians' high salaries.
What the heck source is that, it isn't remotely as advertised for starters. Second, I actually know some doctors that refuse to take medicare PERIOD. Additionally, I know some doctors that can't afford health insurance due to the fees for liability insurance.
Get this through your head: THEY ARE NOT BLUFFING! They financially can't deal with all the crud from Obamacare and stay in business.
65% of the physicians polled said they oppose the proposed Obamacare plan. 45% of the physicians polled said that they would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement, if the plan were to become law.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... html?cat=5
If even half of those whom said they will quit actually do so we're in a lot of trouble and looking at a serious doctor shortage (which it wouldn't surprise me if the Democrats wanted that).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGNp0PFO5ow
Watch the movie.
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&- ... lpractice/
I need to head to bed now, but you are WRONG about Obamacare, that is the facts.
I start this whole thing with the topic about how unemployment is a deliberate policy choice made by governments and national elites in general, that it benefits the super-rich and that the super-rich want this, and people complain about alleged irrational hatred of the rich? Come on! This is cut and dry, they want unemployment, they want a reserve army of labour, they're doing this terrible thing and they're getting away with it. This isn't about envy, this is about justice!
As for the doctors going on strike and all that, this is what they said before Medicare was implemented... nothing came of that.
Actually, you are just trying to smear Conservatives in general. I'm saying this based on your track record.
Even if I was trying to smear conservatives in general I am not claiming that your average conservative knows about NAIRU. The whole topic of NAIRU is by the way not unlike "Soylent Green is people" - people just don't want to believe but there it is in black and white on the written page.
You really underestimate the degree to which the myths the Wide-Eyed Utopian Capitalists ("the grassroots right") depends on are internalized. Inuyasha someone managed to shift a topic about the super-wealthy supporting certain policies into a discussing about "Obamacare" (which corroborates my point that he'll use red herrings or tangential associations to shift a topic he knows little about into a topic he's rememorized the party line about -i.e. he is a Hyper-Partisan).
I see a lot of this idea pushed forth that the Market is natural and in perfect balance and equilibrium and any regulations or interventions of any kind disrupts this perfection. This idea is everywhere. They say that health care will be perfectly administered if under total market control. This is one idea that has to be totally defeated.
These breathless defences of the superrich look like a form of Social Darwinism ideology. Those who criticise them and their machinations are inferior weaklings overcome with envy, they say, not accepting their lower position in the order of things. Thus it is accepted that these superrich can be tyrants because after all they are superior and that extends even to their alleged right to rig these perfect markets.
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I'm not using a redherring, Master_Pedant you need to look at the facts again. Everything interconnects.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... 027883.php
Also looks like the Dems are throwing in all the projects they can to torpedo the extension of the current tax rates or drive up the debt even higher.
I am quite frankly fed up with the bashing people just cause they are rich. If you have such a problem with someone making more money, how about you start your own business and stop trying to tear down everything other people make because you are too lazy to build something yourself.
Okay, give me a lofty inheritance, access to the best schools, and powerful connections so I can "pull myself up by my own bootstraps". Aside from this, I'm not really bashing all "rich people" so much as the rich who buy politicians and the idle rich. While there's quite a few industrious, admirable characters in the top 1% (like Warren Buffett), there's also a lot of generational wealthers, reckless financial industrialists, and people who depend on oligopolistic control over the market in this Second Guilded Age.
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I suppose that people defend the rich hoping to be "taken care of" by these rich some day... they can buy people, they buy minds and they become tyrants. Funny how those who claim to be obsessed with Liberty so quickly insist on Tyranny. That it's justified on the grounds that these are Social Darwinist Supermen doesn't change the fact that rule by these Supermen remains a Tyranny of Supermen.
What the hell are you talking about? It specifically states all the legislative protections the American Medical Association (one of the few very powerful unions in America) has lobbied for over the years and states that malpractice suites aren't really the main cause of the extreme salaries physicians make.
I know of doctors who work only for public-funded healthcare programs. Anecdotes are fun, aren't they?
Wow, bold assertions, can I play too?
GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD - THEY ARE AND CAN DEAL WITH THE FINANCIAL RAMIFICATIONS!! !! !
http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... html?cat=5
If even half of those whom said they will quit actually do so we're in a lot of trouble and looking at a serious doctor shortage (which it wouldn't surprise me if the Democrats wanted that).
So please tell me when people of a given trade don't threaten to quit if various things (like high salaries) that they love is threatened? Even if this hissy-fit, doomsday scenario came true, the US could more than make up for this in easing immigration for those with degrees in medicine.
Watch the movie.
The National version of RomneyCare tax hikes are largely exaggerated.
The e-mail describes a "second wave" of tax increases that it says will take effect Jan. 1 under the new health care law. But this "wave" consists of three relatively minor tax changes that affect relatively few people.
What the e-mail describes as a "Medicine cabinet tax" simply aligns rules governing health savings accounts (HSAs), Flexible Spending Arrangements (FSAs) and Health Reimbursement Arrangements (HRAs) with the tax rules that apply to deducting medical expenses generally. Under current law, taxpayers in general are not allowed to deduct the cost of non-prescription drugs as a medical expense. The only exception is for insulin. But those with HSAs, FSAs and HRAs were allowed to use pre-tax dollars to buy aspirin, over-the-counter cold and allergy medications, and other drugs available without a doctor’s prescription. The new "tax" simply says HSAs, FSAs and HRAs can’t be used to buy these medications — except for insulin — after December 31. (See pages 69 and 70 of the Joint Committee on Taxation’s "technical explanation" of the revenue measures in the new health care law, which can be downloaded from the committee’s website. This will affect a small proportion of taxpayers. For example, the health insurance industry says 10 million persons were covered by HSAs as of January of this year, roughly 3.2 percent of the population. For that relatively small group, the change does amount to a tax increase. It will bring in a total of $5 billion over the next 10 years, the JCT estimated in its "Estimated Revenue Effects" of the new law.
The "HSA withdrawal tax hike" refers to a doubling of the current 10 percent penalty that must be paid on any HSA funds spent for something that’s not a qualified medical expenditure. (See pages 71 to 73 of the JCT technical explanation.) The JCT expects that to bring in $1.4 billion over 10 years.
The "special needs kids tax" refers to a cap of $2,500 that the new law places on spending from FSAs. (See pages 74 to 77 of JCT’s technical explanation.) The argument made in the e-mail is that "many" families with special needs children now use FSAs to pay tuition at private schools catering to special needs children, schools that ATR says "can easily exceed $14,000 per year" in Washington, D.C. Perhaps so. IRS rules do allow use of FSA funds to pay for such expenses with pre-tax dollars. But the e-mail message offers no evidence of how many families might be taking advantage of this tax break currently. The claim is copied from the website of Americans for Tax Reform, but as ATR itself says: "For most people, the $2500 cap won’t be noticed." As ATR concedes, FSAs "tend to be used for things like small deductibles, co-payments, eyeglasses, over-the-counter medicines, and laser eye surgery." The amount deferred in the typical FSA is probably much less than $2500 today, ATR says. The JCT expects the change will bring in $13 billion over 10 years, but says nothing about how much of that is likely to come from the pockets of parents of special needs children.
We don’t argue for or against any of these three tax increases. We simply point out that, even taken together, they amount to less than $2 billion per year and, therefore, don’t constitute anything close to a "wave" of historically large tax increases taking effect next year.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/2011-tax-increases/
Needless to say, new programs need to be financed. A good deal more taxation (especially on the top income bracket) will be neccessary in the long-term for America.
How ever so humble of you.
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... 027883.php
Also looks like the Dems are throwing in all the projects they can to torpedo the extension of the current tax rates or drive up the debt even higher.
I am quite frankly fed up with the bashing people just cause they are rich. If you have such a problem with someone making more money, how about you start your own business and stop trying to tear down everything other people make because you are too lazy to build something yourself.
Many of the programs listed I would agree with, though I hate the reactionary move of letting many in class of idle rich keep their money, the capitulation on a death tax, and the useless subsidizing of ethanol.
These breathless defences of the superrich look like a form of Social Darwinism ideology. Those who criticise them and their machinations are inferior weaklings overcome with envy, they say, not accepting their lower position in the order of things. Thus it is accepted that these superrich can be tyrants because after all they are superior and that extends even to their alleged right to rig these perfect markets.
Someone really should also note that the market -as it exists in Anglo-American countries - is not a perfectly competitive market (the ideal type in microeconomics textbooks). Rather, its some combination of monopolistic competition and oligopolistic competition (in many profitable industries), with the oligopolists sitting awfully close to legislators.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... 027883.php
Also looks like the Dems are throwing in all the projects they can to torpedo the extension of the current tax rates or drive up the debt even higher.
I am quite frankly fed up with the bashing people just cause they are rich. If you have such a problem with someone making more money, how about you start your own business and stop trying to tear down everything other people make because you are too lazy to build something yourself.
Many of the programs listed I would agree with, though I hate the reactionary move of letting many in class of idle rich keep their money, the capitulation on a death tax, and the useless subsidizing of ethanol.
The death tax doesn't just affect the rich, it affects the middle class too. Unless you define everyone over the poverty line as rich.
Don't you live in Canada though, and isn't your healthcare system going broke?
http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/14/arizo ... lose-shop/
Furthermore, isn't FactCheck.org sponsored by a leftist group...
The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2104053/posts
You want to tell me I sould believe a site that is sponsored by an organization that has a Domestic Terrorist as a co-chair, sorry but I'd believe Bill Clinton about not having sex with Monica Lewinski, before I would believe them. Furthermore Obama was the founding chairman of Annenberg foundation which sponsors factcheck.org.
And you may try to paint factcheck.org as conservative but fact is they are not conservative, they are sponsored by a far left group.
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Elitist Marxists want everyone employed, but the masses to be equally impoverished so nobody can challenge their control.
Which of the two have your better interests at heart?
the third way.
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In most cases (if not all), there is an enormous unified credit that exempts estates up to $1 million. According to the republicans, $1 million is middle class cash so they want to increase the exemption to $5 million.
Anyone wealthy enough to leave an estate of 1 million bucks is not middle class. This is nothing more than a handout to the wealthy.
