Could "Separate but Equal" have worked............

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12 Dec 2010, 7:34 pm

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but the reason why their separatism is at least tolerated


^ So I guess larger ethnic groups who happen to have rubbed elbows a bit more don't have those same rights to a degree of separatism?



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12 Dec 2010, 7:37 pm

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make reference to MTV as a euphemism for blacks.



^ WTF? Seems like a bit of a leap if you ask me.

Then again, I think anything said by a conservative is some doubletalk for racist sentiments these days.

We have evolved some pretty sophisticated codes.

The PC police must be on their toes.



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12 Dec 2010, 7:45 pm

Besides, if racists are so powerful and are pulling so many strings and keeping everybody down, why do they even have to use all of this doublespeak and euphemisms?

They could just come right out with it, now couldn't they?



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12 Dec 2010, 8:07 pm

russell wrote:
^ I see nothing wrong about wanting to maintain the integrity of separate cultures, so we don't just all follow the same mindless MTV-pop-culture parade.


You mean, so we don't all act like 'Americans.'
I disagree with the idea that encouraging American citizens to separate themselves culturally from other American citizens is a good thing.

edit: that includes the Amish, but at least Amish separateness (as noted by others) is self-imposed rather than externally imposed, and only affects a tiny proportion of the population. The Amish are suffering from it, however, with a distressingly large proportion of their children born with debilitating birth defects due to inbreeding.



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12 Dec 2010, 8:33 pm

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^ I guess its perfectly fine to be a segregationist and not want to fuse your culture if you are Amish?

Surprised the diversity activists don't jump them more and make them bus disaffected youths from town into their schools or something.

The Amish set a bad example for sure by not mingling.

Yes, the Amish do. They live a backwards lifestyle that they foist on their children. I am not going to say that we should force the Amish to join us, but frankly, I have little reason to like the Amish. I am a pro-technology atheist, the Amish really stand against a lot of things I believe in.



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12 Dec 2010, 9:04 pm

^ Yep, it might be a good idea to force the Amish to get-in-step in the very near future and make them participate in diversity and cultural exchange.............

Lest other Euro peoples get some bright ideas and get inspired to "politely decline" and go their own ways as well.



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12 Dec 2010, 9:06 pm

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^ Still, it might be a good idea to force the Amish to get-in-step in the very near future and participate in diversity and cultural exchange.............

Lest other Euro peoples get some bright ideas and get inspired to "politely decline" and go their own ways as well.



You're comparing a forced isolation to a willful isolation. I realize you're a moron racist but you aren't really THAT stupid, are you?


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12 Dec 2010, 9:10 pm

^ Mabye some of the Amish would secretly rather be elsewhere, gorging on Burger King and watching Jerry Springer?

Who knows?

Their continued defiance may serve a greater purpose, like an acorn seed or something.

The Amish are the martyrs of our age.



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12 Dec 2010, 9:18 pm

russell wrote:

^ WTF? Seems like a bit of a leap if you ask me.

Then again, I think anything said by a conservative is some doubletalk for racist sentiments these days.

We have evolved some pretty sophisticated codes.

The PC police must be on their toes.


If by "PC police" you mean the moral zitgeist of polite company, then yes, it has shifted in a markedly anti-racist direction. No, it's not a leap that numerous people who have a problem with African Americans view (in their delusional way) MTV as an instance of "black culture" infecting the White Middle Class Youth.

On a quirky, personal sidenote, I dislike "PC" as a shorthand for political correctness as I associate "PC" with the Progressive Conservative Party of Manitoba (a backwater party that fired a 1000 nurses before 1999 and is set to regain control of the Manitoba Legislature).


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12 Dec 2010, 9:22 pm

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^ Mabye some of the Amish would secretly rather be elsewhere, gorging on Burger King and watching Jerry Springer?

Who knows?

Their continued defiance may serve a greater purpose, like an acorn seed or something.

The Amish are the martyrs of our age.

The Amish know nothing other than their secluded communities. They force their lifestyle on their children, who have no real choice in the matter. I am quite sure many Amish would prefer to live in the modern world if they knew about it.


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12 Dec 2010, 9:45 pm

Orwell wrote:
russell wrote:
^ Mabye some of the Amish would secretly rather be elsewhere, gorging on Burger King and watching Jerry Springer?

Who knows?

Their continued defiance may serve a greater purpose, like an acorn seed or something.

The Amish are the martyrs of our age.

The Amish know nothing other than their secluded communities. They force their lifestyle on their children, who have no real choice in the matter. I am quite sure many Amish would prefer to live in the modern world if they knew about it.


EDIT: NVM, gotta remind myself to read the articles before i link them. damn tv.



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12 Dec 2010, 9:54 pm

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If by "PC police" you mean the moral zitgeist of polite company, then yes, it has shifted in a markedly anti-racist direction. No, it's not a leap that numerous people who have a problem with African Americans view (in their delusional way) MTV as an instance of "black culture" infecting the White Middle Class Youth.

On a quirky, personal sidenote, I dislike "PC" as a shorthand for political correctness as I associate "PC" with the Progressive Conservative Party of Manitoba (a backwater party that fired a 1000 nurses before 1999 and is set to regain control of the Manitoba Legislature).



It doesn't matter................ conservatives have developed an elaborate doublespeak with far more deceptive and subtle codewords besides "MTV."

Conservatives have a whole underground communication network, the likes of which the PC-thought police have barely nicked the surface.

Get cracking on it Legrand.



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12 Dec 2010, 10:06 pm

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russell wrote:
^ I see nothing wrong about wanting to maintain the integrity of separate cultures, so we don't just all follow the same mindless MTV-pop-culture parade.


By culture you mean race right, ? I see a major problem, I see no value in what you are saying and I'm a social conservative. Are you saying you prefer a world where I cannot be with someone, simply due to their race?


I don't see russell suggesting applying a policy to the entire world.

Here's a question. If America goes several more decades without solving the race problem and becoming truly post-racial, how would you feel, in theory, about the country fragmenting into: one territory for Whites, one territory for Blacks, territories for Native American tribes, and a multiracial territory for anyone who wanted to live there?


Umm.. This already exists Dosent it? In practice rather than law. The problem is obvious though, what happens to the one who wants to move between them?

I think by culture we aqre thanking race, at least here in this thread. Russell has yet to illustrate why his idea is such a good one. When it did exist in the South, so many people considered it a massive shame on the United States. The economy of the South has spent the better part of a century attempting to remain backward rather than professing.

The question of racial tolerance is not one a state can afford to answer incorrectly. I grew up in a small country town, I know how entrenched racism can be, but even there I never saw someone of any intelligence recommend that people should be legally divided along such lines.


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12 Dec 2010, 10:18 pm

^ "Separate but Equal" was not "russell's idea" to begin with............. (lol)

I was beaten to the punch.

I only wanted to generate thought about the viable merits of the system, not zealously defend it(which I haven't.)

I could think of something far better anyway.



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12 Dec 2010, 10:28 pm

russell wrote:
It doesn't matter................ conservatives have developed an elaborate doublespeak with far more deceptive and subtle codewords besides "MTV."

Conservatives have a whole underground communication network, the likes of which the PC-thought police have barely nicked the surface.

Get cracking on it Legrand.


I really don't find the codewords that hard. It's just a matter of replacing "blacks are lazy" with "certain people in Ghettos perpetually in poverty don't work hard enough" and stuff like that. It's the difference between saying "racial inequalities are divinely ordaned" and "there is no structural racism, all discrepancies are due purely to merit" when talking about Ghettos.


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12 Dec 2010, 10:35 pm

^ Yeah, conservatives throw out easily decodable ciphers for the PC police to latch onto as a decoy.

This is done so the real clandestine plotting and subterfuge can continue under the patina of a few loutish trolls sending the diversity patrol off on wild-goose chases.