How did Noah fit so many animals on his Ark?
31 Dec 2010, 10:59 pm
From a piece of [actually not so hot] Sci Fi from long ago:
Assumes that the reality changes to match humanity's understanding. The earth WAS flat and the sun DID circle it; then our theory changed and the world changed to match. Paging Schroedinger!
We have seen the claim that lions and shrews and lice were vegetarians before the fall, with adjustments in behavior and we have to assume dentition and guts to match the new diet.
Which belief would allow one to fly with a very different atmosphere AND rainbow structure.
And yes that puts everything up for sale and most of us are not going to want to go there, but the belief and the believers are out there.
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31 Dec 2010, 11:46 pm
Nambo wrote:
If you folk want to discuss (and try and discredit) the Bible, maybe you should read it first.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
Personally, I'm not a biblical literalist, particularly when it comes to the old testament, but that doesn't mean I don't have faith in Christ, his death and Resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, and his dual nature. I just don't believe anyone's salvation depends on belief in Noah's ark and a worldwide flood. Or that the planet was created a mere six thousand years ago - in six days. Or that God is going to favor just one small population as his chosen people - plenty of Christianity, and even Judaism were influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism, monotheism originally from Egypt, and probably other religions and nations.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
01 Jan 2011, 1:46 pm
Nambo wrote:
If you folk want to discuss (and try and discredit) the Bible, maybe you should read it first.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
You creating more problems than you're solving here.
Okay so we know where the water came from.
It came from this cosmic layer of water balloons that god put around the planet.
But that still leaves the question of where the water WENT when the flood was over.
To drown the tallest peaks you need more surplus water than the normal amount of water that exists in the entire hydrosphere. The ocean only averages about 13000 feet deep, but the flood raised the water to such a level that it "drowned the highest peaks" inluding everest- meaning the water reached about 30thousand feet above current sea level.
Further: how could there be day and night if the heavens were blocked from view by this "vault of water"?
Interesting that you call the water canopy "protective".
What was it protecting us from?
And why are we surviving without this protection?
01 Jan 2011, 8:52 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
Nambo wrote:
If you folk want to discuss (and try and discredit) the Bible, maybe you should read it first.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
You creating more problems than you're solving here.
Okay so we know where the water came from.
It came from this cosmic layer of water balloons that god put around the planet.
But that still leaves the question of where the water WENT when the flood was over.
To drown the tallest peaks you need more surplus water than the normal amount of water that exists in the entire hydrosphere. The ocean only averages about 13000 feet deep, but the flood raised the water to such a level that it "drowned the highest peaks" inluding everest- meaning the water reached about 30thousand feet above current sea level.
Further: how could there be day and night if the heavens were blocked from view by this "vault of water"?
Interesting that you call the water canopy "protective".
What was it protecting us from?
And why are we surviving without this protection?
The Bible tends to answer its own questions which is why my first line is relevant,
Now the whole earth was covered in water, it was a year before any land appeared.
So, as you rightly ask, where did the water go.
A scriture in Psalms that I cannot remember trhe chapter, but can remember what its says, says, the mountains proceeded to asend, the valley plains to decend.
So, the earth originally was much flatter, when the flood came, the weight of the water gradually found thinner or lower areas of the earths crust, where it pooled, pushing the areas where it pooled and where the seas formed, down, and the mountain ranges up.
Never made sense to me why an Earth made primarily for man, would have so much of it covered in water.
The protection of the water canopy would protect us from the extremes of heat and cold we experience now, and the more harmfull rays of the sun.
As for being able to see day and night, the Bible doesnt go into specifics here, Ive heard it said that scientists claim the thermosphere is still hot enough to contain much of the worlds water as a vapour.
Or maybe it was still and clear like a pool?
I dont know, I wasnt there but just because I dont know all the details, doesnt give me reason to discard he rest.
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02 Jan 2011, 10:37 pm
JNathanK wrote:
Well, if you take it literally its ridiculous. However, I think the best approach to myths is to try to understand them allegorically. There's usually an underlying truth to these things.
I agree, in every myth, there is an element of truth. I don't doubt there was some sort of major flood in the prehistoric Middle East, which left much of the human and animal life dead. And that the survivors were so traumatized, they never completely forgot what had happened to them, even ages later.
Who knows, maybe there was some sort of divine intervention which saved lives.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
02 Jan 2011, 11:59 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
Nambo wrote:
If you folk want to discuss (and try and discredit) the Bible, maybe you should read it first.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
You creating more problems than you're solving here.
Okay so we know where the water came from.
It came from this cosmic layer of water balloons that god put around the planet.
But that still leaves the question of where the water WENT when the flood was over.
To drown the tallest peaks you need more surplus water than the normal amount of water that exists in the entire hydrosphere. The ocean only averages about 13000 feet deep, but the flood raised the water to such a level that it "drowned the highest peaks" inluding everest- meaning the water reached about 30thousand feet above current sea level.
Further: how could there be day and night if the heavens were blocked from view by this "vault of water"?
Interesting that you call the water canopy "protective".
What was it protecting us from?
And why are we surviving without this protection?
Aren't there claims that most of the Earth would flood if the polar ice caps melted. Maybe all that water is now polar ice caps, glaciers, and water vapor.
03 Jan 2011, 12:02 am
Inuyasha wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Nambo wrote:
If you folk want to discuss (and try and discredit) the Bible, maybe you should read it first.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
You creating more problems than you're solving here.
Okay so we know where the water came from.
It came from this cosmic layer of water balloons that god put around the planet.
But that still leaves the question of where the water WENT when the flood was over.
To drown the tallest peaks you need more surplus water than the normal amount of water that exists in the entire hydrosphere. The ocean only averages about 13000 feet deep, but the flood raised the water to such a level that it "drowned the highest peaks" inluding everest- meaning the water reached about 30thousand feet above current sea level.
Further: how could there be day and night if the heavens were blocked from view by this "vault of water"?
Interesting that you call the water canopy "protective".
What was it protecting us from?
And why are we surviving without this protection?
Aren't there claims that most of the Earth would flood if the polar ice caps melted. Maybe all that water is now polar ice caps, glaciers, and water vapor.
There are no such claims.
03 Jan 2011, 12:05 am
Sand wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Nambo wrote:
If you folk want to discuss (and try and discredit) the Bible, maybe you should read it first.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
You creating more problems than you're solving here.
Okay so we know where the water came from.
It came from this cosmic layer of water balloons that god put around the planet.
But that still leaves the question of where the water WENT when the flood was over.
To drown the tallest peaks you need more surplus water than the normal amount of water that exists in the entire hydrosphere. The ocean only averages about 13000 feet deep, but the flood raised the water to such a level that it "drowned the highest peaks" inluding everest- meaning the water reached about 30thousand feet above current sea level.
Further: how could there be day and night if the heavens were blocked from view by this "vault of water"?
Interesting that you call the water canopy "protective".
What was it protecting us from?
And why are we surviving without this protection?
Aren't there claims that most of the Earth would flood if the polar ice caps melted. Maybe all that water is now polar ice caps, glaciers, and water vapor.
There are no such claims.
Try the Global Warming alarmism, you can't have it both ways. First there are claims that places all over the globe will flood due to global warming, then you argue that there is not enough water in the ice to cause the massive flooding, which is it?
03 Jan 2011, 12:55 am
Inuyasha wrote:
Sand wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Nambo wrote:
If you folk want to discuss (and try and discredit) the Bible, maybe you should read it first.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
You creating more problems than you're solving here.
Okay so we know where the water came from.
It came from this cosmic layer of water balloons that god put around the planet.
But that still leaves the question of where the water WENT when the flood was over.
To drown the tallest peaks you need more surplus water than the normal amount of water that exists in the entire hydrosphere. The ocean only averages about 13000 feet deep, but the flood raised the water to such a level that it "drowned the highest peaks" inluding everest- meaning the water reached about 30thousand feet above current sea level.
Further: how could there be day and night if the heavens were blocked from view by this "vault of water"?
Interesting that you call the water canopy "protective".
What was it protecting us from?
And why are we surviving without this protection?
Aren't there claims that most of the Earth would flood if the polar ice caps melted. Maybe all that water is now polar ice caps, glaciers, and water vapor.
There are no such claims.
Try the Global Warming alarmism, you can't have it both ways. First there are claims that places all over the globe will flood due to global warming, then you argue that there is not enough water in the ice to cause the massive flooding, which is it?
First of all much of the polar ice is floating on the ocean. If that melts it will not raise the sea level. The ice in Greenland and Antarctica will raise the sea level but as has been pointed out it can never cover all the land areas, especially those with with high mountains.
03 Jan 2011, 1:18 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
Well, if you take it literally its ridiculous. However, I think the best approach to myths is to try to understand them allegorically. There's usually an underlying truth to these things.
I agree, in every myth, there is an element of truth. I don't doubt there was some sort of major flood in the prehistoric Middle East, which left much of the human and animal life dead. And that the survivors were so traumatized, they never completely forgot what had happened to them, even ages later.
Who knows, maybe there was some sort of divine intervention which saved lives.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Yah, I think there's a common archetype within the collective unconscious in these stories because so many cultures have flood stories in their mythology, even in the new world. I think it might even relate to something that happened very early in the history of all humans, or it could just be a common experience for cultures to experience floods. I find it interesting that a very common cross-cultural theme is of god/gods trying to purge early humanity of their mistakes though.
03 Jan 2011, 10:56 am
Inuyasha wrote:
Sand wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Nambo wrote:
If you folk want to discuss (and try and discredit) the Bible, maybe you should read it first.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
Genesis chapter 1 :- 6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
There used to be waters above the sky, a protective water canopy, people lived hundreds of years before the flood, after the flood it became what it is now, also rainbows only appeared after the flood as a result of the change in light once it didnt have to pass through a water mantle wrapped around the planet.
2 Peter 3 :- 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Some translation say the Earth was out of water, yet in the midst of water, that being an Earth that was encased in a globe of water, this resulted in a more even climate over the whole globe, its why they find the remains of forests under the polar ice caps.
As for history of the flood, read Josephus, the Roman Historian who matter of factly reports how people where carving lumps of wood from Noahs ark to where as lucky amulets.
Look up how many cultures of the world have legends of a worldwide flood, not just Biblical cultures.
You creating more problems than you're solving here.
Okay so we know where the water came from.
It came from this cosmic layer of water balloons that god put around the planet.
But that still leaves the question of where the water WENT when the flood was over.
To drown the tallest peaks you need more surplus water than the normal amount of water that exists in the entire hydrosphere. The ocean only averages about 13000 feet deep, but the flood raised the water to such a level that it "drowned the highest peaks" inluding everest- meaning the water reached about 30thousand feet above current sea level.
Further: how could there be day and night if the heavens were blocked from view by this "vault of water"?
Interesting that you call the water canopy "protective".
What was it protecting us from?
And why are we surviving without this protection?
Aren't there claims that most of the Earth would flood if the polar ice caps melted. Maybe all that water is now polar ice caps, glaciers, and water vapor.
There are no such claims.
Try the Global Warming alarmism, you can't have it both ways. First there are claims that places all over the globe will flood due to global warming, then you argue that there is not enough water in the ice to cause the massive flooding, which is it?
Already explained all of that on page two of this thread!
A sea rise of five feet would be a catastrophe displacing millions. But five feet is not the same as the 30 thousand feet you would need to rise the ocean to make Noah's flood come true--- if you're taking the story absolutely litereally.
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03 Jan 2011, 11:26 am
Why do you think that God told President Bush to re-start the space program? Just to run up more government debt on some useless space errands?
No! God wants America to create a space ark. Just before our species blows up this planet, a truly holy and wonderful person (who is obedient to God) will have built a space ark, into which he will place two of each species of animal that God wants kept alive. Then, off they go!
