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I'm perfectly moral by my point of view and seeing as the bible is full of contradictions, I stand by my moral self assessment.

I keep hearing this, yet when I ask for examples I only get things that either don't contradict at all or only appear to contradict when removed from context.

man, it's your book. Read it sometime.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

besides, so long as I follow society's laws, I am moral. No ancient book is going to tell me who I should love or how I should treat women and children.

Crap, I brought that up. You need it in writing again.

(link)Women
(link)Some about children in here

did you see how "moral" your book wants you to be? Beating and subjugation of women, children, the infirm and slaves.

Did you even look at the OP's link? It it moral to let passengers die on a jet because the pilots were praying instead of regaining control of the aircraft?

You got it wrong. Atheism is a lack of belief that there is a god. This is no equivalent to believing there is no god.

Since there is no solid objective evidence (rooted in the facts of the world) that god exists one can hardly blame anyone for not believing there is a god. Those who do believe there is a god do so out of faith, not out of factual objective knowledge of the world.

ruveyn

It's about time people realized and accepted that there is no retribution for crimes committed in some theoretical after life. Therefore there will be a better system devised right here in life to root out criminals and give them what they deserve before they die. God makes a lousy attorney general.

Actually, you are the one whom is incorrect because it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a Christian. Quite frankly there is no evidence that God does not exist.



There have been enough odd occurances and "miracles" throughout history even within the last 50 years to suggest the existance of God.

Ignorance and gullibility are great personal characteristics to hold to that. There are a couple of others also but I don't want to be insulting.

I've noticed that too, isn't that supposedly the same style of misquoting that the Bible specifically warns people to watch out for.

yabut...sighs, shakes head.

There's more evidence that there is not a god or supernatural being.

Ask ANYTHING, it can be explained by science, observable, repeatable, demonstrational science.

And yes, you need faith to be an atheist. You must have faith that the scientist making claims has actually done research and his or her findings are accurate. For example, I have faith in the current scientific theory about how the moon was formed and the leading theory as to the extinction of the dinosaurs and evolution. I have faith in their prior education and their expertise in whatever field they're presenting. If a high school student has a theory on why radiation alters the structure of cells at the DNA, it'll be given less weight than a theory by the Ph.D. But like I'm trying to say that the Ph.D must not be green and should know what he or she is talking about.

I also have faith in the Drake equation.

I have faith that science and rational, skeptical thinking will become the norm.

Scientists often dismiss things that point to the existence of God though.

4. Corrie Ten Boom in Marching Orders For The End Battle writes about
her experience in the Congo when there was an uprising. “When the rebels
advanced on a school where 200 children of missionaries lived, they planned
to kill both children and teachers. In the school they knew of the danger and
therefore went to prayer. Their only protection was a fence and a couple of
soldiers, while the enemy, who came closer and closer, amounted to several
hundreds. When the rebels were close by, suddenly something happened:
They turned around and ran away! The next day the same thing happened
and again on the third day.

One of the rebels was wounded and was brought to the mission hospital.
When the doctor was busy dressing his wounds, he asked him: ‘Why did
you not break into the school as you planned?’

‘We could not do it. We saw hundreds of soldiers in white uniforms and we became scared.’ In Africa soldiers never wear white uniforms, so it must have been angels. What a wonderful thing that the Lord can open the eyes of the enemy so that they see angels! We have the Bible in faith, and by faith we see invisible things.”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/10398892/Guar ... -on-Acts-1

let me stop you right there. For your information I have read multiple translations of the bible multiple times. It's a big book and memorizing everything in it isn't easy, so I'm sorry I can't instantly know exactly what you're talking about when you make a vague comment about there being contradictions in the Bible. You're being extremely condescending and insulting and that is not how evangelism is done. I suggest that you try taking on a less hostile style if you actually want to change anyone's mind.

Now let's continue.



I generally do not follow links because I am obsessive-compulsive and have no idea what I'm getting myself into: I could be setting myself up for a panic attack. But if you would kindly point out which passages you have issues with, I'd be happy to discuss this with you further.

I'm also curious as to why anyone would think society is a trustworthy source of moral code, but since that is how you're judging yourself, would not most people in society consider going back on your word with no explanation or excuse immoral?



What happened to this?

coincidence

and you don't say something is something without knowing!

I saw something brown! It must've been a 1978 Pinto!"

I saw something in the sky! It must have been a UFO!

I saw someone wearing white in the jungle! It must've been an angel!

Where are the angels (in white?) where there is famine or cancer? Where were angels when the bombs fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Where were the angels on 9/11?

DAY OFF OR SOMETHING?

Don't go spouting crap about some obscure village what was saved. Who the hell are they that they deserve such treatment?

friggin' whaa!

He must be a sinner! He went back on his word!

Yeah, and let you poor, deluded people suffer with this any longer? I need to take action. It might save somebody's life.

He's offering to debate scripture with you, why don't you show him how evil his book is jedi.

I have no trouble and have no qualms about changing my mind.

That's nice, MasterJedi. I could point out the problems in your logic of claiming to follow society's standards and then claiming to follow your own when called on it, but I don't see that headed anywhere productive. for now let's hear the scripture you have such a problem with.