Etiquette for folks 'not taking it the wrong way"

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Their grievance is that a few leftists have been complaining about them. Boo freaking hoo.

Let's see if I can explain this in simple terms:
We have freedom of speech and the press in this country. That means right-wingers can say whatever they damn well please. It also means left-wingers can say whatever they damn well please. This includes criticizing what the other side says. Saying "I disagree with what you say" is not remotely equivalent to trying to censor you, and any sane person can recognize this.

Technically if Rush, Beck, Hannity, and Palin were not public figures a lot of people on the left would be facing lawsuits for slander. The New York Times lost a suit filed by a woman they claimed had an affair with John McCain because they slandered her.

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The grievance is that they were being implicitly called accessories to murder because the early information looked like it might fit a frame that certain people on the left had been advancing for some time, and said same people jumped the gun before the information was there. That's a bit different than simply being upset over some harsh language or criticism. Basically, a bunch of journalists stomped on a big flaming bag of dogshit they found on their doorstep, and the stink is going to linger a while.

To those on the left still trying to spin this; give up. It's the equivalent of "small government" conservatives defending the drug war or justifying torture when we do it; it just makes you look like a hopeless partisan.

You would have been the last person I'd expect to jump on Inuyasha's talking point. I'm pretty sure that no legal definition of "accessory" would possibly apply even if you uncritically accepted the worst claims made against the Right in regards to Loughner. It's pointless to even try explaining that to Inuyasha, but you should at least have the sense to know that the term "accessory to murder" has an actual legal definition. No one, implicitly or explicitly, has accused the right of being an accessory here. The worst accusations were of incitement, and I've already said that those claims are, at best, a huge stretch in this case.

I think the right doth protest too much. This constant persecution complex where the Left is evil and oppressive for any criticism of the Right, and yet their far more overblown criticism of the Left is perfectly OK, strikes me as hypocritical and distasteful.

I might argue that some of the more over the top columns actually do rise the level of accusing certain right wing pundits of being accessories to or inciting the crime, but I'll concede to having used the term incorrectly as shorthand for premature speculation of a causal link, mea culpa.

You know that saying about broken clocks? Well, it's Inuyasha's time of day.
I'd have thought such a transparent smear by association was above you Orwell, but then I'd have also thought that Skafather wouldn't lose his mind and post some of the most strained and explicit attempts to link this tragedy to his political adversaries either. Really, you ought to know better than to attack a position I take by pointing out that other "questionable" people also share the position rather than engaging it on the merits, I'm certainly willing to support my argument with evidence and rhetoric.

Aside from all that, I was way out in front of this thing decrying the spin being put on it, in fact I believe I broke this story on WP up in the News forum and have multiple posts predating anything Inuyasha happened to say.



Be that as it may, in this specific case I think they have a right to be pissed, I know I would be in their shoes.

@ Dox47

I actually wasn't surprised by this. Yeah I know I can be partisan, but I at least know and acknowledge that I'm a Conservative. Skafather84 and Orwell can't get it through their heads that at the very least they are as partisan as I am if not more so. They have just been better at concealing that fact from people here while I don't particularly care if people know I'm conservative. It actually took something that was so blatantly obvious that the Left was in the wrong that their far left ideology was revealed.

This has also proven my point about the mainstream media in a way that was irrefutable to anyone whom is rational.

I found it very odd that you would suddenly take up, almost verbatim, the talking point that Inu has been bleating for the past day or two. Very out of character for you.


Both sides have been spinning it. Both sides are filled with idiots.

How's that for fair and balanced?


But you have to love the irony. They are complaining about the Left's rhetoric in complaining about the Right's rhetoric.

You're missing my point; I wouldn't agree or disagree with something Inuyasha said simply because he was Inuyasha, I would make that decision based on whether I thought he was right or wrong. In this case, I happen to think he has a point and it's a point I've been making myself in various threads here and elsewhere. If I phrased things in a way that constitutes a "talking point", then it was both unintentional and frankly not something I particularly care about, after all a "talking point" is simply an argument that you disagree with but don't care to rebut at the moment.



Or, you might say that it's ironic that the Left is deploying overheated heated rhetoric in response the Right's overheated heated rhetoric, it can be be played either way. I'm choosing to jump the Left because it seems so obvious that they practically had the articles (and legislation) already written, and were just waiting for a suitable tragedy to occur that would support the framework. I don't care for that sort of thing.

it is you who wears blinders to any facts that don't fit your philosophy.

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you are a future roy cohn. may god have mercy on your soul. i am done reading your bile, you are beyond the pale.

No, it's an argument that is intended to be repeated ad nauseam without a well-constructed supporting framework. Both sides have them. I tend to think the Right is a lot more efficient in distributing theirs, but that is probably more a matter of greater incompetence from the Left's propagandists than it is greater duplicitousness from the Right.


I believe there is a saying about "taking what you dish out."

Maybe cause unlike you he can actually look at a situation objectively. Thing is you and the left have discredited themselves so thoroughly it is hysterical.



Funny that the people whom you would consider idiots have behaved more rationally than those whose talking points you are regurgitating.




You think accusing people of being accomplices to murder is okay rhetoric for the left, I have yet to see Rush Limbaugh accuse Keith Olberman of being an accomplice to what happened in Arizona.

You know, I kinda expected this from those on the left, I will tell the moderates here that I told them so. The left has finally revealed their true colors. (I will admit this isn't all people that happen to be liberal, but it sure seems that way at the moment).



I had to look up who Roy Cohn was, and I will say I'm not particularly amused with your little attempt for an insult.

I could care less whether you read what I post or not, that's your choice. When you choose to stop throwing a tantrum let me know.

And Inuyasha is still hallucinating and lying about me.

I have never once accused anyone on the right of being an accessory in these murders, much less an accomplice. My first comment on the subject was to explicitly say that it would be inappropriate to blame Palin or Fox for the shootings.

Here's the quote if you don't believe me, emphasis added for your benefit.

So, you are just plain wrong. I am getting sick of the false accusations and slander, Inuyasha. If you want to attack me on a stance I have actually taken, I would be glad to defend my views. I am not going to tolerate these continued malicious lies.

if the shoe fits, wear it. you can't see it, but you are an attack dog for the right, just like roy cohn.

Seriously, if you keep behaving like a little kid throwing a tantrum I'm going to keep treating you as one.

Are you so partisan you can't even understand that your leftist idols have crossed the line. You think people on the right don't have the right and justification to be furious at the people on the left for accusing them of being accomplices to murder? If you want to see who is really acting like a bigot look in the mirror auntblabby, cause you would be looking at that person every time you stare in a mirror.

I'm not saying this out of hate or spite, I'm saying that because I think you can wise up and realize that you aren't being remotely objective. Why you have such hatred for people on the right I have absolutely no idea.

i already know to treat you as the brainy bully you are- that is, never to turn my back on you. i put NOTHING past your ilk. years of being bullied by your type means all the trust i used to have is gone.



the very same question can be asked of you - you refuse to understand that hate speech [i.e., showing up at opponent's political functions with guns and spouting off about "2nd amendment remedies"] has ramifications beyond your immediate pleasure of disrespecting your opponents. when you put enough hate vibes into the air it has to go somewhere- it doesn't just evaporate into oblivion. all actions [including hate speech] have consequences that are not always knowable in advance of the act. putting ballistic bullseye targets on people is just more hate speech- "surveyors' marks" my patootie. enough talk about violence and pretty soon somebody somewhere will translate such violent speech into violent action. i pray that one day you will understand, for all our sakes.



i don't have but a fraction of the hate for righties, that you have for lefties. your postings drip with contempt for people you consider to be weaklings who happen to depend on gov't handouts. nobody likes to be disrespected- when you have the gall to criticise me for taking umbrage at the mean things you have said about people like me, you demonstrate to me a chilling anger towards much of humanity. there are more people like me than like you, whether you like it or not. i believe that when the balloon goes up, you will be among the people literally gunning for people like me. go ahead and exterminate us all, if it makes you happy- for a world with legions of you in it is not a place i want to be.