Is homosexuality a genetic or cultural phenomenon?

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19 Jan 2011, 11:34 pm

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There isn't much evidence that the ancient Greek social institution of pederasty implied a homosexual attraction. Though not a punishable offense, sexual intercourse was usually highly frowned upon in such relationships.


One could argue the the physical contact that's a part of pederasty did not have any sexual conotation back in Greek days (I can't say I'm sure since it's hard to find any data on it that isn't tainted by a liberal bias), however they do have a sexual conotation today and are considered to be homosexual of nature today. When you look at the art Pistonhead mentioned, you clearly see men reaching for the genitals of other men with their hands.



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20 Jan 2011, 1:20 am

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Seriously you think the greeks weren't into gay sex? Look at their art damn it, loads of examples of dudes touching each other and worse. Very obviously people felt like immortalizing those acts, most of which probably either were VERY experienced or had admired watching it at the very least.

No doubt some were. I'm just saying that the relationship didn't have to be full blown sexual. There are degrees of homo-eroticism.



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20 Jan 2011, 7:49 am

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Yes it is a choice. I choose to be with a woman because I find women more attractive and because sex with a woman is far more appealing to me ...

I'd say "lolno." if I wasn't so against memes and butchering the English language.



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20 Jan 2011, 12:37 pm

Not all Greek city states were known for homosexuality. However I think the Greek fashion of depicting lots of naked men everywhere and competing naked makes it seem like they were way gayer then they were.
Mind you anyone here familiar with Sappho and the isle of Lesbos knows that some parts of Greece definitely were very encouraging of homosexuality



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20 Jan 2011, 9:21 pm

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So how exactly could homosexuality be "cultural"?
You dont have to prove your theory. Just explain how it works.


People's experiences in life strongly influence their opinions and feelings towards other people. As such, bad experiences with those of the other gender, positive experiences with those of the same gender, exposure to hard core porn (where both male and female genitals fly in your face all the time), an overly dominating mother or father, the lack of a particular parent, exposure to liberal propaganda and many other experiences can change the way people perceive themselves and the way they perceive others to a point they start questioning their own sexuality and declare themselves homosexual when they would never have done so and never have even considered the possibility in a society where heterosexuality is the norm as it used to be for most of human history. Much the same way, one could argue that people who naturally have a disposition towards homosexuality would become heterosexual in traditional society because it was the norm and they never really questioned that norm.

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naturalplastic wrote:
So how exactly could homosexuality be "cultural"?


Okay, if that is what you mean then what you mean doesnt make any sense.
There are too many flaws in your logic to list, but since your last sentence is the most absurd ill just focus on that.
If you believe "that it could be argued that a person who is disposed to homosexuality would become heterosexual in a traditional (ie homophobic) society" then you're amazingly ignorant.

Millions of people were gay in the 19th and early 20th centuries ( they were in the closet for the most part but they were still gay) despite lving in a "traditonal society" that was homophobic ( including Walt Whitman, J. Edgar Hoover, and president Buchanan). So being repressed and being ignorant of gay role models doesnt stop people from being gay. Likewise watching Will and Grace on TV doesnt cause straight people to morph into gays!
Both gayness and straightness are alot more durable than you seem to think. I think the evidence is that you're gonna be whats you're gonna be-either way- despite what society (or even you yourself) may want.



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20 Jan 2011, 10:50 pm

Sparta for example didn't do anything homo as far as I know, but most of Greece was into/okay with it. So Vigilans you are correct on that point.


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22 Jan 2011, 6:38 pm

I kinda see homosexuality as more as a hormonal...alteration...(to say disorder would have me hanged). That kind of idea even for a straight person like me concerns me though. When we look at how our current society treats autism as something that needs to be cleansed or wiped out, I'd hate to think what would happen if people starting looking at homosexuality in the same light. The media will be of no help here.



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22 Jan 2011, 6:47 pm

Question: Is homosexuality a genetic or cultural phenomenon?
Answer: Yes.

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22 Jan 2011, 6:52 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Question: Is homosexuality a genetic or cultural phenomenon?
Answer: Yes.

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I always enjoy your posts



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22 Jan 2011, 6:56 pm

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Question: Is homosexuality a genetic or cultural phenomenon?
Answer: Yes.

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Well, some people have claimed a potential dietary link. A lot of our food is soy based, especially infant formula. Plus, our food animals are fattened with soybeans.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327



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22 Jan 2011, 6:59 pm

Another possible culprit is lady pee.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ter-supply

Ladies who take birth control pills pee, which eventually enters our water supply, which may lead to greater effeminacy.



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22 Jan 2011, 7:40 pm

I'm think it's pretty much completely a nurture thing. I don't believe in any "gay gene". People like different things sexually(and everything else for that matter) and for some people it's other folks of the same sex.



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22 Jan 2011, 8:14 pm

From what I understand, prisoners turn to homosexuality, as do sailors on long voyages.



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22 Jan 2011, 10:07 pm

Being gay is not a choice. why would someone wake up everyday and choose to be persecuted? the vast majority of people want to fit in

and sociatys are built for people fitting in, I think its more like the other way around

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22 Jan 2011, 10:23 pm

I'm telling you guys, its baby carrots and hot dogs



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22 Jan 2011, 10:33 pm

Especially those tiny Vienna wieners.