British mothers thrown out of nursery for being.. British :/

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In America it seems that often enough when anyone says something against the constant influx of foreigners that they are reminded that they are descendants of Evil Imperialistic Colonial Foreigners™ way back in their genealogy and then promptly called hypocrites and also reminded that the only people who aren't foreigners are the Native Americans and that they're the only ones who have a right to complain. I'm wondering, what is the analogous rhetoric in England when the Native English speak out against the influx of foreigners? I doubt it's the same rhetoric but I'm certain that the same conclusion of "shut up" is presented in the end of the verbal defecation spiel.

Multiculturalism PCism will be the death of western civilization. People that move to other countries shouldn't be coddled to at all. They should convert to the culture of the country they move to or go home. There is nothing worth preserving in "old world" cultures, language and religion included. Complete assimilation is the only option.

Unless you want to close our borders completely and become some kind of half-assed North Korea, then there are always going to be "foreigners" coming here one way or another, as there have been for thousands of years. Besides, who exactly is at fault here? The people who have spotted a way to make some extra money, or the tossers who built a system that allows such wholesale abuse? If I suddenly learned that the Germans were paying foreign workers fifty times what I get in a week no strings attatched, then Deutschland Deutschland Uber Alles.
Face it, the Irish authorities should pay more attention to the details of their claimants. I know for a fact that here the DWP are notoriously bad at cross-checking claims, and know of at least one case of a man on their files with two national insurance numbers using the same information for both "people", claiming everything twice and nobody had bothered to cross-check it. The fault lies with government, not with the people. Besides, many "foreigners" are more indigenous than some of the people who want them to leave.

Lets not forget who presided over the rape of the education system, creating a generation of children who have no useful job-skills even if they bother to try and get jobs, or with useless degrees, or no skills at all. When presented with the "cream" of Britains unemployed, or a willing experienced and able foreign worker, who would you really want to work for you? And who created that problem? Wasn't the foreigners.

Racist, intolerant, nazi, fascist, islamophobic. Coming from lefty traitor scums (supported by mainstream media) and immigrants they imported.

In EU, it all revolves around WW2 and how nazis treated minorities back then. Now the history repeats itself. Troubles with immigrants, economic collapse, unemployment, Right on the rise,... So if you talk ANYTHING against mass immigration, you're seen as the worst nazi, fascist and all that.

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Macdeaf, I already said it was the goverment who's to blame, the Labour goverment. And yes, it really is time to shut the doors to this country. We're a tiny island and hugely overcrowded. Foreigners get most of the work now, cause they do it for cheaper. Like cleaning and building work. You need a qualification to change a lightbulb in this country now, its gone insane. Things were a lot better when people went to work and learned the job.

Actually what they expect you to have is health and safety training, and to have done a risk assessment of the job, and to perform it with the correct equipment. The idea being to prevent dickheads like that "man who was given the wrong type of ladder" in the claim adverts from cleaning companies out with huge lawsuits. Of course the problem is if you go too far the other way, then people are forced to perform dangerous tasks with inadequate equipment and people die. The problem is how that (reasonably sensible) legislation is enforced.

Case in point: in my old workplace, members of staff were expected to change light-fittings using a rickety stepladder balanced on two beer-crates and a bit of wood, and stretching, because our tight-arsed boss wouldn't spring for a longer step-ladder. Incredibly dangerous, and exactly what the legislation is supposed to prevent. (Suffice to say plenty of places were quite dark in that building before long.) Just because some pencil-neck jobsworth thinks that the proper equipment is a couple of grands worth of scaffolding and harnesses, doesn't make the gist of the legislation wrong, merely the implementation.

And funnily enough not one iota of that has anything to do with "foreigners" so I don't see why you choose to bring it up in this thread unless as an attempt to tar all immigrants with another problem they didn't cause?

Foreigners get a lot of the work because they have a work ethic, more experience, better qualifications and skills, or they are simply willing to do jobs that indigenous unemployed refuse to do (sometimes because they find it demeaning, sometimes because the wage fails to match what they get from benefits and they quite sensibly do not wish to lower their quality of living for substantially more effort.)

Overcrowded? Explain then the rows upon rows of empty boarded-up houses all over the country? Are they being lived in by particularly shy security concious people? Or are they just empty? Plenty of spare housing around the place.

And apparently you yearn for the golden era of employment for everyone, no bloody foreigners and "proper jobs" for the right (white?) people, that never actually existed in the first place.

Actually its a vicious circle. Making all these outreagous health and safety laws doesn't help what so ever. There needs to be some kind of common sense bought back in, like "if you fall off a ladder, or didn't know it was the wrong one, you're an idiot and tough luck"

Yeah, a point I heard. A plasterer I spoke to wasn't allowed to change a light bulb. Health and safety laws made sure a warning sign was put on a conker tree. I mean come on? Thats insane, its gone too far now.

Um, it seems to be you who's going off topic. I posted the crazy link about foreigners, who's to blame or not, it just shouldn't be happening.

Like I said, they have qualifications, cause its easier for them to get in their home countries. And there's no way on earth they have better skills in all trades. Well like you said about you going to Germany if they paid much more. Wouldn't you just stay at home sprouting out kids if you could earn more? Oh wait you can.

Are you serious? How does the amount of buildings have anything to do with how crowded the country is? Why are foreigners being treated like royalty, a lot of the ones who don't work, and a lot of the elderly who payed taxes and fought for this country, being treated like dogs? The hospital "buildings" are overcrowded.

With how much Multiculturalism™ pervades America such a song would probably never would be heard one the radio, especially since it refers to an English speaking person who doesn't have a permanent sun tan as being part of a race. Here you have to at least have an accent if you speak proper English to be considered a part of a protected class. In between her singing, are those clips from the aftermath of the actions of people seeking "martyrdom" by murdering innocent people en masse?



Ah, so they throw around the term Nazi in order to silence their opposition. It's kind of like assuming that if one says something like "We have a labor surplus and our own citizens can't find work, so we need to slow down on the immigration", then it is treated as "We must commit genocide to keep our race pure" or some other crap like that. No, the two statements are not the same in the least. Also a statement of "People who immigrate from these sets of nations tend to have a higher percentage of members who decide to explode in public places" is not the same as saying "we need to kill everyone who isn't of Pure German Blood". Of course, it is far easier for lefties to simply demonize their opposition than to attempt to use their ears and minds for a solitary instance.

Actually you introduced health and safety legislation into a discussion about immigration issues (or lack thereof.)

Every empty house is somewhere someone could be living. Overcrowded suggests that people are vying for a space to live, which isn't actually true. If people are vying for a place to live its because they are being priced out of the market.

Again, the legislation ITSELF is often fairly sensible, but occasionally drifts into the overly silly. But the people implementing that legislation are given to over-stating the case, and other play it so safe that they cripple the people involved. There is a medium to be found between protecting people from dangerous practice and triplicate paperwork for a light-bulb. Just because we haven't found it, doesn't mean we should just go back to the black lung and child labour.

There are skilled foreign tradesmen or specialist, and there are cack-handed robbing shyster British ones. I would rather hire or use the one who is skilled in the task, regardless of ethnicity. And its a media-driven myth that having loads of kids is an easy ride on free money, based on taking a few isolated extreme cases and spouting rubbish about them, and ignoring the millions of other people on low wages or benefits with kids who can barely make ends meet, if at all.

Its also a myth that foreigners get treated like royalty. Yes, there is health tourism, but an Asian woman having a baby gets the same number of midwives as a British one. (Not enough.) A Nigerian with Cancer is on the same waiting list as a Brit, (Too long a one.) and still has cancer.

Again, there is a balance to be achieved between uncontrolled mass immigration (which we do have) and closing the borders to all and sundry, which we clearly have not reached. Neither extreme is the solution.

Can you justify Labour giving 95% of the jobs they created to foreigners, when probably like 95% of what they earn goes back to their own countries, yes or no?

You're right about there needing to be a medium found. But why should it have to get to the point where you can't step outside your house without insurance, to reach that point. The conker tree situation is enough to show how ridiculous its got. I used to work on a building site, and speak to people now who work on them. They all say its gone beyond a joke. But thats enough about health and saftey laws.

It isn't just media driven. I've seen it with my own eyes. Just walk around a rough council estate. You'll see these mothers with lovely clothes, the husbands(if they have one) with nice cars, all the alcohol and fags they want, and no one in the family works. You won't see all this by reading radical left wing articles.

Right, so why when a women I know tried to get a flat, when she split from her husband, have to practically be homeless, but a foreigner got the flat? I don't think any foreigner should be eligible for council flats. If they want to live here, they should buy their own.

You probably can't see, but its too late to close the doors anyway, its gone too far. Beyond repair.

Blame goes both ways. Labour created the situation where new jobs were created, and created the situation where foreign employees were better able to take those jobs, but Labour didn't give those jobs to anyone. They were given by the employers, who chose the people they decided would best fill that position. It would be better to say that Labour failed to adequately prepare British workers to take those positions, and failed to effectively control the legislation on where and whom an employer can hire. Slightly academic now though, given that the ConDems have just binned most of those jobs regardless of who was in them.

How do you know what the financial situation is of any person you just happened to pass in the street? I've lived on sh***y dead-end council estates and for every one person "raking it in" (usually by claiming and working at the same time) there are half a dozen more who have to choose between paying a bill or buying their children toys. For a while I had to make that choice myself so I know its no free ride. Had I chosen to break the law, I would have been able to have a satellite dish and all that s**t as well. All the alcohol and fags they want? Booze is cheap, mon ami, and many is the time I was reduced to eyeing the ashtray for the last tab-ends because there was no more money for smokes. (I quit in the end.) So yes, a LOT of this belief that al life on bennies is massive misrepresentation, or people who are not living on them alone. That isn't to say that you can't abuse the system.. you can.. but millions do not, and live sh***y lives for it.

Bribery is the base cause of discrimination in housing. Long it has been the case that asylum seekers were guaranteed certain basic living conditions apparently denied to the average citizen. Granted, its not fair that they should be given precedence in housing, but by the same standard, I see no reason why they should be refused completely. Were they to go on to the lists like everyone else, it would be a non-issue.

Simply put, our education system needs to catch up again to a point where a british worker has the same chance of getting a job as a foreign rival. Secondly, our cost of living should be adjusted so that we have a chance to compete economically for such jobs. Thirdly, we should regain control of our own borders so when we DO find undesirables and illegals, we can remove them without bowing to Europe. Finally, we should tell Europe where to stick its legislation. and return to running our own affairs. THEN we could re-adjust or remove legislation accordingly. (Though at the same time, that is a matter of whether we can trust our current government not to legislate us into the workhouse.)

I think Labour can be blamed for not doing anything about the numbers pouring into our country. The employees gave foreign workers the job's, cause they do it for cheaper. I don't know what the ConDem's are up to, something had to be done. I'm not sure why they can't change things so football players can't escape millions in tax each week, and bankers don't get a 100% payrise cause they lose their bonuses. So yeah, Labour made a mess of things with the foreigners, its probably the main reason our economy is a mess. And stuff like the Dartford bridge being owned by France.

I don't know the financial situation of everyone, but if they can afford to buy themselves a crate of beer and 40 fags a day, while not working, something isn't adding up. Thats the things, so many people are playing the system, so its not a misrepresentation, just cause you didn't play the system, plenty of scumbags do. People get way too many child benefits. You'll find people actually will buy their fags and booze, rather than getting decent food for their kids.

Well if asylum seekers were the bottom category on the list, or not on the list at all, things would work out a lot better. I've had a few people tell me they were basically left homeless. Thats not fair, when some foreign person, who probably will end up spitting on our country, gets the priority.

Well its your human rights act thats stopping us removing the illegals.

Typical hyperbole. Whatever legitimate issues lie at the core of what you say, you sound like you're talking a load of rubbish because you dress it up in exaggerations that not only aren't true, but don't even sound true.

95% of jobs going to foreigners? Utter nonsense. Do some basic statistical research and look at what the relative rates of unemployment are in the UK. Here, I'll even help you: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=462

It is abundantly clear that white British and white Irish had the lowest rates of unemployment in 2004 (after seven years of Labour rule). Even after the crash, it is likely that this pattern persisted.

95% of money going abroad? Again, nonsense. After making deductions for tax and living expenses, there is a limited pool of cash available for transfer. And what is wrong with private individuals making decisions about what to do with their money, anyway? When you buy imported goods you are doing precisely the same thing. (Where was your computer manufactured?)

Anecdotes are all well and good--but until you can demonstrate that white Britons are substantially worse off than new immigrants you will have no credibility in propounding a public policy to take down those programs that do exist to redress that imbalance.

If someone chooses to spend their child benefit on fags and booze (and may they enjoy their cancer for doing so) then that does NOT mean "people get too much child benefit." Likewise, Child benefit is (or was until very recently) a universal benefit.. and lets be honest, anyone who places their own smoking habit above the welfare of their child, would be placing their own needs above their child at ANY wage level. Some people save their child benefit up for their childs future needs. Its a fallacy that because some people abuse a system that system needs to be taken away from everyone.

MY human rights act? Where did I give the impression that I'm a member for the European parliament? Though I'm not opposed in principle to their being an act that protects peoples human rights, I am against its application against the interests of victims.

You're drifting further into Daily Fail territory you know.

It is not just that they did not do anything about the numbers pouring in. They encouraged the numbers to increase. This was later admitted by a government adviser. Not that this made any difference to the inert masses.