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25 Jan 2011, 11:08 pm

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Jesus was a Jew out to reform Judaism and didnt even have any gentile followers. Kinda like Lincoln and the two Roosovelts were American reformers of America. Admiring lincoln doesnt make you anti american. Decrying the commercialization of Christmas doesnt make you anti christian. So gentile vs Jew has nothing to do with the story.

The Gospels are Gentile propaganda. They were written starting 40 years after Jesus by people with an axe to grind.

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26 Jan 2011, 2:56 pm

Frankly, i dont know how your average church goer isnt considerd to have a mental illness.
believing in something you cant see? at least schizophrenics have brain mapping imagies to back up why they are like that (through no fault of there own)

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26 Jan 2011, 2:58 pm

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Then why do we believe aliens exist, we've never seen one.

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26 Jan 2011, 3:01 pm

Because it makes more sence to me that aliens exist in the universe somewhere than some guy popping out of thin air making everything in 7 days

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26 Jan 2011, 3:42 pm

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OK. So you ONLY believe in something if you can SEE it?

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26 Jan 2011, 5:24 pm

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Three pages.

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26 Jan 2011, 6:11 pm

AngelRho wrote:

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OK. So you ONLY believe in something if you can SEE it?

Should one believe in the existence of something they cannot perceive in some manner. It does not have to be sight.

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26 Jan 2011, 7:30 pm

Hi Freislander,

I meant 'in a Christian way' in terms of I don't think people understand too much, so, they can all be great and loving it being able to have massive conversations with others but if you are slightly 'odd' it is noticed. I think norms are very much adhered to within the Church in general and unless you have the accepted/cool backgrounds in their eyes (for example, drug dealer turned Christian), it is difficult to be anything but what everyone wants you to be.

As much as I feel that I have slightly phased out, I do love the Church that I go to and my pastors, I guess this is as much my issue in dealing with the way I am in reality as it is theirs! I guess in a while, things will calm down a little.

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26 Jan 2011, 7:50 pm

They say insanity is a minority of one, so no...

Honestly, I think people who believe in the Sky-God are a bit confused, but no more than someone who believes in Santa at age 35.

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26 Jan 2011, 11:16 pm

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It seems that the word "mental illness" is out of style here, but AS is diagnosed by pyschologists and psychiatrists.

It seems to me that growing up in a conservative Christian environment with regards to my AS, schizoaffective disorder, and OCD (especailly the AS). I was taught the the tendency to lose control, or even the tendency to lose control were signs of unChristianness. I lose cool - or want to - becaue of my mental illnesses - it has nothing to do with God of the devil. And if I don't vent my "out-of-controlledness" every so often, then it's all repressed. Sometimes I think I hate Christianity because of this, though I haven't completely sworn it off.

Does anyone else feel this way?

I think the literalists interpret Christianity in a dumb way. When Jesus had to confront Satan and the beasts of the wilderness, I think it had more to do with inner psychology than an actual wilderness. To find inner peace, you have to confront your demons that lurk below the unconscious first, like with psychoanalysis. I see Satan as an inner component of the human psyche that needs to be tamed or overcome, not an actual being.

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27 Jan 2011, 12:21 am

When John baptized Jesus, the holy spirit descended upon him, and God told him he was his son. Then the spirit lead him into the wilderness where he was confronted with the demons of his unconscious before being met with angels at the end. I think the baptism symbolizes the washing away of the ego, the barrier of the unconscious, and the dove represents a bridge between the individual and the greater, transcendent reality of the psyche and its relationship to the whole. The very act of dissolving one's ego and seeing reality from an unbiased perspective generally has the effect of showing the individual that they and the rest of the universe are inseparable because of the interconnection and interdependence of everything.

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27 Jan 2011, 12:31 am

AngelRho wrote:

richardbenson wrote:

OK. So you ONLY believe in something if you can SEE it?

No. I'm saying as a christian YOU believe in something you cant see. am I wrong?

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27 Jan 2011, 12:43 am

ruveyn wrote:

AngelRho wrote:

richardbenson wrote:

OK. So you ONLY believe in something if you can SEE it?

Should one believe in the existence of something they cannot perceive in some manner. It does not have to be sight.

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I could be making unnecessary assumptions. The thing is, "perceive" is not what richardbenson wrote, but "see." I take that to mean "perceive in some visible or materialistic manner," i.e. something that really could be seen. I'm not trying to play word-games or anything. I just want to be clear on the intended meaning.

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27 Jan 2011, 12:45 am

richardbenson wrote:

AngelRho wrote:

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OK. So you ONLY believe in something if you can SEE it?

No. I'm saying as a christian YOU believe in something you cant see. am I wrong?

You are correct. I believe in something I cannot see. According to you, that means I should be considered to have a mental illness. Right?

Let me ask you another question: Do you believe in emotions? What about morality? Do you believe in those things?

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27 Jan 2011, 1:02 am

Yes. that means you have a mental illness, listen just because
pat robertson has a telethon *praise the lord* doesnt mean its from god. are you kidding me?

send me your money now :wink:

Do I believe in emotions? Why. so you can impart you're christian ideas on me?

I think if anything a decent human being wouldnt "try" "sin" or anything else against another person

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27 Jan 2011, 9:09 am

richardbenson wrote:

Do I believe in emotions? Why. so you can impart you're christian ideas on me?

It's a simple question. Do you believe in such things as emotions or morals? Oh, but you're afraid I might try some trick, or try to "convert" you. Nah, it's no trick. I can't dazzle you with my excellent, God-given, superhuman hypnotic abilities just because you answer a question about emotions and morals! lol :lol:

Seriously, answer the question.

If that makes you uncomfortable, let me ask you a different question: Do believe in abstract concepts such as "numbers," "mathematical formulas," and that kind of thing?

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