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03 Feb 2011, 11:34 am

An interesting video back from 2003......

"Israel" vs Egypt, Iran, Hezbollah & Lebanon - Do Not Be Fooled, This Was All Predicted

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nR7-Cmszpo[/youtube]


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03 Feb 2011, 4:33 pm

I'm just worried about a friend of mine that's a foreign correspondent over there. She's being moved to Sudan soon so hopefully she'll be okay.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11030/1121699-82.stm



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03 Feb 2011, 4:48 pm

I have the solution for Egypt. Get the population working on a pyramid twice as high as the pyramid at Geeza. It will take the entire adult population 25 years to complete it during which there will be no riots.

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03 Feb 2011, 7:55 pm

Makes me f*****g sick.....

20-30 people run down, injured and killed by some kind of diplomatic car in Cairo. :( :( RIP to the people who died and I hope the driver respobsible is found.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWOK0Lfh7w&skipcontrinter=1[/youtube]


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03 Feb 2011, 8:11 pm

Wow that is f****d up. The government needs to be overthrown either by outside help or by the citizens themselves.



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03 Feb 2011, 8:52 pm

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By Saad Eddin Ibrahim
Friday, February 4, 2011

After supporting him with money and weapons for 30 years, the United States and all democracies must insist that Hosni Mubarak heed the voices of his young citizens who call for him to step down immediately and spare Egypt further bloodshed and economic loss.

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From the Archives: Saad Eddin Ibrahim: Egypt's repression
The young Egyptians who have dug their heels deep into Cairo's Tahrir Square were born during Mubarak's three decades in power. They have known no other president and face a bleak future under his corrupt rule. Inspired by recent events in Tunisia, they finally took to the streets to seek change. Though Mubarak vowed this week to finally step down in September, few believe him, and with good reason: He has reneged on every election promise for political reform made since coming to power in 1981. Only hours after offering this "concession," Mubarak unleashed thugs and provocateurs on unarmed protesters amassed in Tahrir Square. At least five demonstrators were killed and hundreds injured. This followed reports that convicts have been released or escaped from prison, adding to the insecurity and violence on the streets of Cairo.

A president who would condone these crimes against his people and deny all cellphone and Internet access across the country has lost any semblance of credibility. For the vast majority of Egyptians, this is simply the last straw. When Mubarak became president after the assassination of Anwar Sadat in 1981, he vowed to serve only one six-year term. But he has ruled under a "state of emergency" since those chaotic days. Emergency laws enabled him to suspend the rule of law and bypass Egypt's esteemed judiciary. He has systematically eliminated, harassed or defamed any potential alternative to his leadership. He has rigged elections, silenced dissidents and prohibited even small political rallies. He has beaten and jailed democracy activists and sent civilians to military courts. He tightly controls the media and has cracked down hard on young bloggers. (I was tried and convicted in absentia on charges of "defaming Egypt's reputation" for writing on this page in 2007 in support of democratic change.)

Mubarak has continued Sadat's economic liberalization to an open-market economy, but much of the benefits of growth have been skewed toward a narrow group of elites. Corruption around the president's family is legendary and on par with that which toppled Tunisia's Ben Ali ruling family. Meanwhile, roughly a fifth of the Egyptian people live in poverty, and the once-vibrant middle class cannot afford a decent education or the skyrocketing costs of housing, or find jobs.

Mubarak claims he is proud of his record of service and vows to "die on the soil of Egypt." He will allow the country to descend into chaos rather than leave and allow us to rebuild our land. As I write, my wife is reporting sounds of gunfire from several districts in Cairo. We propose a solution to this impasse: In return for Mubarak resigning from the presidency immediately, the United Nations and Western powers could ensure him and his family safe passage to the resort town of Sharm el-Sheikh, where he spends most of his time anyway. He could avoid prosecution by agreeing to return the wealth his family has amassed during its years in power.

According to the Egyptian constitution, the recently appointed vice president would become the interim president until scheduled elections in September. The prime minister has vowed to find and prosecute those responsible for violent attacks of the past 48 hours. He should be supported in restoring law and order and getting the economy back on its feet. He must rapidly bring the brave young protesters into a broad-based national dialogue, along with members of opposition groups, the media, clean elements within the business community and civil society leaders.

With concerted efforts among the reform elements in Egypt and leaders of Western democracies, this scenario could be the way out from today's perilous situation. Egypt's instability threatens peace and stability across the region. Barack Obama and his European counterparts face a moment of truth: They can move rapidly to support the democracy activists who are putting their lives on the line in Tahrir Square, or history may never pardon them.

The writer, an Egyptian sociologist and democracy activist living in exile, is a distinguished visiting professor at Drew University in Madison, N.J.

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Just total chaos. The devil does not care, known or not. :evil:


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03 Feb 2011, 9:35 pm

ruveyn wrote:
I have the solution for Egypt. Get the population working on a pyramid twice as high as the pyramid at Geeza. It will take the entire adult population 25 years to complete it during which there will be no riots.

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There is some evidence that thats pretty much what the original Pyramids were- a kind of WPA make work project. The Pharoahs had only recently united Upper with Lower Egypt and mobilizing the work force for a sacred building project was a way to help consolidate control on both parts of the country.



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03 Feb 2011, 9:59 pm

PatrickNeville wrote:
Makes me f***ing sick.....

20-30 people run down, injured and killed by some kind of diplomatic car in Cairo. :( :( RIP to the people who died and I hope the driver respobsible is found.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWOK0Lfh7w&skipcontrinter=1[/youtube]


saw that and another video of the same thing happening at a different time

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04 Feb 2011, 12:50 am

I think it is beautiful what they're doing and awful what has happened to them. I also respect Mubarak for leaving, I think he is doing what Abhisit should have done in Thailand last year. If Mubarak leaves, he'll have done one caring thing for his people.



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05 Feb 2011, 7:49 pm

I filmed this video today in the town centre.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66OcEWWrwSw[/youtube]


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05 Feb 2011, 7:57 pm

It'll be a remarkable triumph for humanity if they expel their president, and set up a secular, decent society (as opposed to an Islamic Theocracy). It's quite admirable, what they are doing.


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11 Feb 2011, 6:09 am

I got an article i wrote published in a local news website.

http://aberdeenvoice.com/2011/02/aberde ... ith-egypt/


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11 Feb 2011, 12:09 pm

Yeah, how 'bout them? Mubarak fled Cairo and resigned. The cynic in me says this is going to be a repeat of '79, though; especially with Obama being not much more effective internationally than Carter. Iran used to be a tourist destination too.


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11 Feb 2011, 2:10 pm

Natty_Boh wrote:
Yeah, how 'bout them? Mubarak fled Cairo and resigned. The cynic in me says this is going to be a repeat of '79, though; especially with Obama being not much more effective internationally than Carter. Iran used to be a tourist destination too.


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He should have stayed in power with the express agreement that this would be his last term so that a smooth transition of power to whatever form of government emerged from public discourse could happen.

By handing things over like this, it will favor the revolutionaries...the Muslim Brotherhood.

This is not a good thing. For all what the "people" want, they are not the ones at the bargaining table. Heck, even in a "democracy" the extremists are often favored because they will marshal people to go out and vote for them while taking steps to intimidate the opposition. We see it happen here in the USA on smaller scales most every election cycle.



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11 Feb 2011, 2:37 pm

meet the new boss, same as the old boss



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11 Feb 2011, 5:52 pm

Oh yeah, Mubarack resigned, btw. <.< The Army is taking over.