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08 Feb 2011, 8:21 am

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But it is good when Mother Theresa dies.

So glad you are so free from hate.

I considered M.T. an evil person. Rejoicing at the death of an evil person is not hatred. Rather, it is celebration. I celebrated the death of Hitler and Stalin too.

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Mother Theresa was evil because....? :huh:

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08 Feb 2011, 10:11 am

abaisse wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

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But it is good when Mother Theresa dies.

So glad you are so free from hate.

I considered M.T. an evil person. Rejoicing at the death of an evil person is not hatred. Rather, it is celebration. I celebrated the death of Hitler and Stalin too.

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Mother Theresa was evil because....? :huh:

She operated a sadomasochist place to die. She didn't help people so much as just watched them die and felt holy about taking in the suffering of others. She was an effective publicist but horrible in actually helping people.

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08 Feb 2011, 11:04 am

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I could not have said this more clearly. Thank you. M.T. was the wicked b***h witch of altruism. The Pain of Others was her road to Glory.

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08 Feb 2011, 11:31 am

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I could not have said this more clearly. Thank you. M.T. was the wicked b***h witch of altruism. The Pain of Others was her road to Glory.

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Her MO reminds me vaguely of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_D ... inology%29

But she didn't outright kill them, only denied them any means of getting better (and not everyone at her house of death was terminal).

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08 Feb 2011, 11:36 am

Have you ever been to a suffering country and seen the reality that has to be dealt with? There simply isn't enough help to give. Sometimes, being with someone while they die is the most compassionate thing you can offer and from first hand experience, those with minimal to no family quite appreciate that company in their last hours.

As someone who has visited the camps set up by Hitler and have also seen ministries for the suffering... you simply cannot compare.

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08 Feb 2011, 11:48 am

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I wouldn't compare the two, myself but MotherT strikes me more as a passive serial killer rather than any kind of angel of mercy. Her works were for herself more than for others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZiKAeJ9mAU

Hitch assumes greed but I think it's a different angle.

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08 Feb 2011, 12:09 pm

I have no idea how such insanity gets started.

It gets propagated because - obviously - some people are insane.

I have seen {among others) Sudan, Albania - and the USA. Thank God for malevolent sadistic people like Mother Theresa and Florence Nightingale and Albert Scweitzer. Thank God there are not more public benefactors like Stalin and Jiom Jones.

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08 Feb 2011, 12:27 pm

I certainly wouldn't take anything Hitchens says as gospel. I read "god is not great". I thought he made good points about certain things (because religions are ran by fallible human beings who often fail). However, many things he stated as facts were quite subjective. Some of the events he described had political agenda hiding behind religion. He also tends to make sweeping generalizations.

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08 Feb 2011, 12:34 pm

Either one of you care to take a stab at the whole Haiti thing, then?

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08 Feb 2011, 12:49 pm

Haiti:

Do you mean explaining Haiti, or fixing Haiti? Or something else which from data so far received I do not get?

If you want me to explain Haiti - I can't go further than the world contains a lot of very evil people and sometimes they get into power and make things worse instead of trying to block the forces already working against us. Pretty vague and trivial.

As for fixing Haiti - make me supreme world leader and I will do what I can to fix a lot. But right now I can hardly fix the hinges on the cabinet my wife has been trying to put up. I was not fixing anything in Sudan or Albania - though I don't think I did any serious harm - and I fix very little right here.

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08 Feb 2011, 1:01 pm

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So that means that you didn't actually check out the Hitch video or you'd know what I was talking about.

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08 Feb 2011, 1:04 pm

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Either one of you care to take a stab at the whole Haiti thing, then?

I would have to research it. I don't take anything Hitchens (or anyone else) says as fact simply because they said so. I don't know Hitchens on a personal level. We have no trust. I do know Christians who have volunteered in India where Mother Theresa was and had nothing to say except praise for the work being done there... because the work is heartbreaking. No one else wants to do it.

What I do disagree with on the YouTube clip is his condescending attitude about suffering being a gift. I don't think it is necessary, but for me personally, my suffering has made me a better person. It taught me empathy, among other things.

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09 Feb 2011, 4:52 pm

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Either one of you care to take a stab at the whole Haiti thing, then?

When the saints come suffering in topic

Hitch has a right to his opinion. I always had mixed feelings about MT, and I did not examine her motives as much as I could have. I no longer make this sort of mistake, and I am angered when I read accounts of MT's neglect of suffering patients, and she could have been a humanitarian. This is what is damnable. :evil:

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09 Feb 2011, 5:00 pm

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Interesting factoid: the only country outside Europe where the majority of the population is Lutheran is Namibia.

Namibia was a German colony before it was annexed by the British Empire after WW I so that actually makes sense.

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09 Feb 2011, 6:48 pm

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So you're not a hateful bigot. you're just a hateful bigot!

Got it!

No you don't get it. Having no love for something is not the same as hating that something. Mostly I have no love for most of my fellow humans. I do care about my family though.

I am polite to strangers, but that is just about as much as I will give.

ruveyn

That has nothing to do with what you said.
You didnt say "I am indifferent" you said I am full of "contempt, derision, etc etc.."
You described yourself as being full of active hostility.

Sorry. My bad. I made the mistake of going by your own actual words.

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09 Feb 2011, 6:51 pm

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So you're not a hateful bigot. you're just a hateful bigot!

Got it!

Then there's also this thread which doesn't exactly show disinterest.

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