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11 Feb 2011, 8:48 pm

Neither of the two major parties are in touch with their voting base to any meaningful degree.



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12 Feb 2011, 1:00 am

RomanceAnonimo wrote:
I immediately discredit the validity of the filth spewing from the mouths of those so unprofessional and disingenuous to call the health reform bill 'Obamacare'. Its just a filthy soundbite to establish continuity in the pea-brains of conservatives. If you don't keep repeating the same non-sense you can't get the lemmings properly fired up.


At least I'm smart enough to know a scam when I seem one. If I'm stupid yet I'm smart enough to recognize a scam and you aren't what does that make you then?

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I have spent dozens of hours watching both the senate and house open sessions and various committee meetings regarding the "Repeal the Job-Killing Health Care Act", as well as many more so watching the development and passage of the Affordable Health Care Act, and stand firmly in stating that conservatives are so far out of touch with the demands of our modern world, society, economy, etc. that if they capture significant influence or power in the near term, the apocolypse will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. They are either a race of super evil aliens hell bent on destroying humanity, or are just really that dense and stupid as to not understand the ramifications of modern mathematics, science and technology to be able to take place in governing it. I am sorry Jimbo, but your beer drinking animal huntin' hill billy existence in the back woods has no relevance to the REAL world, nor does your false idea of 'no regulatin', god will take care of it just fine' have any reasonable place in reality.


You know if it Obamacare was conducted by a business the businessmen and businesswomen would be in jail. I'm not making the accusation of them using Bernie Madoff style accounting lightly.

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Popular media is a disaster in the modern age, Fox News, Limbaugh, etc. have found the formula to get the lowest intelligence demographics up in arms. The saddest part, is the conservatives have capitalized so much that now you can't get through 45 seconds of republican speech on the floor of the house or senate without being bombarded by soundbite after soundbite after soundbite. Even worse yet, is the lemmings don't know they are being had for ratings, FOR PROFIT. They are being emotionally exploited for revenue alone. Beck has admitted it, Limbaugh has admitted it, Fox News has admitted it (in court).


:roll:

Well based on your comments, whomever your sources are, it looks like Rush Limbaugh has more integrity in his pinkie than the entire agency you get news from.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ63lteml28[/youtube]

Representative Paul Ryan completely obliterates your argument.



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12 Feb 2011, 1:33 am

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Silly quote mining. Notice how they are carefully culling what was actually said.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49273.html

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CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf told the House Budget Committee on Thursday that the health care law will reduce employment by 0.5 percent by 2021 because some people will no longer have to work just to afford health insurance.


Quote:
The report, published in August, said, "The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the legislation, on net, will reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by a small amount—roughly half a percent—primarily by reducing the amount of labor that workers choose to supply …


http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?cat=5

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For the economy outside the health sector, the most significant impact of the legislation will be through the labor but that impact will probably be small, as we discussed in The Budget and Economic Outlook: An Update, which CBO issued in August. We estimated that the legislation, on net, will reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by roughly half a percent, primarily by reducing the amount that people choose to work.


So the estimate is that people who are ill and only working (or working x hours) for health benefits, will voluntarily reduce their hours. They are, you know, sick or caring for a sick person and it will become easier to afford health care.

And since when was the CBO credible anyway? I thought the far right hated the CBO for it's cost projections on health care? Maybe theyve changed their minds and accept it now.

Anyway, the point is not about lost jobs, it's about voluntary labor reduction by the ill.

I don't understand this. If more sick people choose to reduce their hours or not work at all, then there should be healthy people looking for extra hours who can take their place. I don't see how this is "job killing". Unless they're accounting for increased labor efficiency due to a healthier workforce drawing down the number of people needed in the workforce. In any case I don't see how this is a negative for business. Businesses would prefer healthier more efficient workers and the total number of jobs won't actually decrease if there are other compensating factors that lead to increased jobs.

I suppose Inuyasha wants sick people to work until they drop dead. Obviously conservatives get a hard-on for that kind of thing. Just be careful what you wish for and try not to get sick Inuyasha. Last I heard you're not rich.



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12 Feb 2011, 1:38 am

marshall wrote:
I don't understand this. If more sick people choose to reduce their hours or not work at all, then there should be healthy people looking for extra hours who can take their place. I don't see how this is "job killing". Unless they're accounting for increased labor efficiency due to a healthier workforce drawing down the number of people needed in the workforce. In any case I don't see how this is a negative for business. Businesses would prefer healthier more efficient workers and the total number of jobs won't actually decrease if there are other compensating factors that lead to increased jobs.


Uh, it doesn't matter if they are sick or not, they are encouraged not to work. It further punishes employers for hiring people PART-TIME.

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I suppose Inuyasha wants sick people to work until they drop dead. Obviously conservatives get a hard-on for that kind of thing. Just be careful what you wish for and try not to get sick Inuyasha. Last I heard you're not rich.


:roll:

Stop with the fear mongering, it didn't work for that nutcase Representative from Florida that got kicked out of office, and people with an ounce of sense won't buy it either.

Again listen to the video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ63lteml28[/youtube]



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12 Feb 2011, 3:13 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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Stop with the fear mongering, it didn't work for that nutcase Representative from Florida that got kicked out of office, and people with an ounce of sense won't buy it either.

The fact that you get mad indicates that I have a valid argument. You don't have any response other than to endorse immoral social darwinism. It isn't fair to ration treatment based on how much money people can pay. Getting sick and requiring treatment isn't comparable to buying a large screen television. It isn't a consumer choice. People don't choose to get sick. It's not under their control. Healthcare shouldn't be treated like a consumer good and shouldn't be used as a money-making racket.



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12 Feb 2011, 3:38 am

Inuyasha wrote:
RomanceAnonimo wrote:
I have spent dozens of hours watching both the senate and house open sessions and various committee meetings regarding the "Repeal the Job-Killing Health Care Act", as well as many more so watching the development and passage of the Affordable Health Care Act, and stand firmly in stating that conservatives are so far out of touch with the demands of our modern world, society, economy, etc. that if they capture significant influence or power in the near term, the apocolypse will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. They are either a race of super evil aliens hell bent on destroying humanity, or are just really that dense and stupid as to not understand the ramifications of modern mathematics, science and technology to be able to take place in governing it. I am sorry Jimbo, but your beer drinking animal huntin' hill billy existence in the back woods has no relevance to the REAL world, nor does your false idea of 'no regulatin', god will take care of it just fine' have any reasonable place in reality.


You know if it Obamacare was conducted by a business the businessmen and businesswomen would be in jail. I'm not making the accusation of them using Bernie Madoff style accounting lightly.


Be in jail for? There are quite a few things a business could get in trouble for trying to run itself like a government.



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12 Feb 2011, 10:56 am

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
:roll:

Stop with the fear mongering, it didn't work for that nutcase Representative from Florida that got kicked out of office, and people with an ounce of sense won't buy it either.

The fact that you get mad indicates that I have a valid argument. You don't have any response other than to endorse immoral social darwinism. It isn't fair to ration treatment based on how much money people can pay. Getting sick and requiring treatment isn't comparable to buying a large screen television. It isn't a consumer choice. People don't choose to get sick. It's not under their control. Healthcare shouldn't be treated like a consumer good and shouldn't be used as a money-making racket.


To each according to his Need?

Right.

I need a Rolls-Royce and a Lear Jet.

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12 Feb 2011, 11:24 am

Yes, the majority of the industrialized world is communist. They must have snuck up on us. Those cunning reds never sleep.



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12 Feb 2011, 11:31 am

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
:roll:

Stop with the fear mongering, it didn't work for that nutcase Representative from Florida that got kicked out of office, and people with an ounce of sense won't buy it either.

The fact that you get mad indicates that I have a valid argument. You don't have any response other than to endorse immoral social darwinism. It isn't fair to ration treatment based on how much money people can pay. Getting sick and requiring treatment isn't comparable to buying a large screen television. It isn't a consumer choice. People don't choose to get sick. It's not under their control. Healthcare shouldn't be treated like a consumer good and shouldn't be used as a money-making racket.
The government has to do rationing as well, and you do know that they are capable of using regulations for the sole purpose of making a racket for themselves right? A lot of the stupid ass gun regulations are a good example. The poor need em more than anyone else, yet they're the ones penalized the most by all the ridiculous tax stamps in the states. Here in Canada we have to renew gun licences every 5 years, which is $60 for unrestricted guns and $80 for restricted, prohibited, and unrestricted guns altogether. What's the point of that other than for the government to rob us? With all the talk from the left wing about caring for the poor, this sure does penalize em more than any other classes.

If you think preferential treatment will stop once the government takes it over, then you're dead wrong.

http://merolinks.com/breaking-news/swin ... ting-line/



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12 Feb 2011, 11:33 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
:roll:

Stop with the fear mongering, it didn't work for that nutcase Representative from Florida that got kicked out of office, and people with an ounce of sense won't buy it either.

The fact that you get mad indicates that I have a valid argument. You don't have any response other than to endorse immoral social darwinism. It isn't fair to ration treatment based on how much money people can pay. Getting sick and requiring treatment isn't comparable to buying a large screen television. It isn't a consumer choice. People don't choose to get sick. It's not under their control. Healthcare shouldn't be treated like a consumer good and shouldn't be used as a money-making racket.
The government has to do rationing as well, and you do know that they are capable of using regulations for the sole purpose of making a racket for themselves right? A lot of the stupid ass gun regulations are a good example. The poor need em more than anyone else, yet they're the ones penalized the most by all the ridiculous tax stamps.

If you think preferential treatment will stop once the government takes it over, then you're dead wrong.

http://merolinks.com/breaking-news/swin ... ting-line/



We arent going to have a Canadian system. So...



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12 Feb 2011, 11:36 am

simon_says wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
:roll:

Stop with the fear mongering, it didn't work for that nutcase Representative from Florida that got kicked out of office, and people with an ounce of sense won't buy it either.

The fact that you get mad indicates that I have a valid argument. You don't have any response other than to endorse immoral social darwinism. It isn't fair to ration treatment based on how much money people can pay. Getting sick and requiring treatment isn't comparable to buying a large screen television. It isn't a consumer choice. People don't choose to get sick. It's not under their control. Healthcare shouldn't be treated like a consumer good and shouldn't be used as a money-making racket.
The government has to do rationing as well, and you do know that they are capable of using regulations for the sole purpose of making a racket for themselves right? A lot of the stupid ass gun regulations are a good example. The poor need em more than anyone else, yet they're the ones penalized the most by all the ridiculous tax stamps.

If you think preferential treatment will stop once the government takes it over, then you're dead wrong.

http://merolinks.com/breaking-news/swin ... ting-line/



We arent going to have a Canadian system. So...
It sure is a stepping stone to public health care.



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12 Feb 2011, 1:47 pm

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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Stop with the fear mongering, it didn't work for that nutcase Representative from Florida that got kicked out of office, and people with an ounce of sense won't buy it either.

The fact that you get mad indicates that I have a valid argument. You don't have any response other than to endorse immoral social darwinism. It isn't fair to ration treatment based on how much money people can pay. Getting sick and requiring treatment isn't comparable to buying a large screen television. It isn't a consumer choice. People don't choose to get sick. It's not under their control. Healthcare shouldn't be treated like a consumer good and shouldn't be used as a money-making racket.


Actually I wasn't even mildly angry, kind of saddened actually that you would use the same bogus argument that the nut from Florida did. If you want to look like a nut though, by my guest.

Anyways, does anyone care to explain why they are for a ponzi scheme (Obamacare)?



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12 Feb 2011, 3:18 pm

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If you want to look like a nut though, by my guest"


The irony.



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14 Feb 2011, 4:33 am

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marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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Stop with the fear mongering, it didn't work for that nutcase Representative from Florida that got kicked out of office, and people with an ounce of sense won't buy it either.

The fact that you get mad indicates that I have a valid argument. You don't have any response other than to endorse immoral social darwinism. It isn't fair to ration treatment based on how much money people can pay. Getting sick and requiring treatment isn't comparable to buying a large screen television. It isn't a consumer choice. People don't choose to get sick. It's not under their control. Healthcare shouldn't be treated like a consumer good and shouldn't be used as a money-making racket.


To each according to his Need?

Right.

I need a Rolls-Royce and a Lear Jet.

ruveyn

:roll:
So you're comparing needing health treatment to needing a Rolls-Royce and Lear Jet?

Well at least you confirmed my point about the sickness and moral bankruptcy of American right-wing thought. It's all a bunch of scumbaggery.



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14 Feb 2011, 10:19 am

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I need a Rolls-Royce and a Lear Jet.

ruveyn


No you don't. I could buy into the idea of "I need a car" because there's many areas in the country where it's a must to own a car but there's a far difference between the two. I could get behind the idea that there needs to be a "people's car" of sorts that's affordable to the lowest incomes and allows them to be able to commute as needed (or as in a place like here: evacuate if needed).


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