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04 Apr 2011, 8:27 pm

The only way we can really defeat the WBC is if the media stops giving them so much public attention. The WBC feed off of provoking the world around them. If we give them even the slightest moment of our time, even if it's to acknowledge their existence or to address their wrongs, we're only continually feeding into their delusions.

Like Charlie Sheen, any negative attention for them is considered good attention. Just imagine if they had none.



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04 Apr 2011, 8:50 pm

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The only way we can really defeat the WBC is if the media stops giving them so much public attention. The WBC feed off of provoking the world around them. If we give them even the slightest moment of our time, even if it's to acknowledge their existence or to address their wrongs, we're only continually feeding into their delusions.

Like Charlie Sheen, any negative attention for them is considered good attention. Just imagine if they had none.


you mean burning the church down with everyone inside won't do it?

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04 Apr 2011, 8:52 pm

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I'd dress up like V/Guy Fawkes (Anonymous' mascot) and just follow them around all day. Don't say a word to them, just dog their footsteps.

Now if I was lucky enough to get one of them angry enough to assault me, ooh boy. Then it's on like Donkey Kong. I wouldn't kill them, but they would think twice before f**king with me again. Plus I wouldn't get in trouble because I would, theoretically, be acting in self defense. As long as they took it upon themselves to start it (and that includes a verbal confrontation. I wouldn't say anything to them, so any chance of the "fighting words" clause of 1st Amendment would be negligible.)

But chances are they won't.

And if one of them stops to check their email... let's just say "all your logins are belong to us."

A lot of states have case laws regarding "fighting words". If you keep goading someone into a fight and they bite, they will get a lighter slap on the wrist and you might get charged too.



But there wouldn't be any "words" involved. I would just follow them.


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04 Apr 2011, 9:05 pm

Roxas_XIII wrote:
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I'd dress up like V/Guy Fawkes (Anonymous' mascot) and just follow them around all day. Don't say a word to them, just dog their footsteps.

Now if I was lucky enough to get one of them angry enough to assault me, ooh boy. Then it's on like Donkey Kong. I wouldn't kill them, but they would think twice before f**king with me again. Plus I wouldn't get in trouble because I would, theoretically, be acting in self defense. As long as they took it upon themselves to start it (and that includes a verbal confrontation. I wouldn't say anything to them, so any chance of the "fighting words" clause of 1st Amendment would be negligible.)

But chances are they won't.

And if one of them stops to check their email... let's just say "all your logins are belong to us."

A lot of states have case laws regarding "fighting words". If you keep goading someone into a fight and they bite, they will get a lighter slap on the wrist and you might get charged too.



But there wouldn't be any "words" involved. I would just follow them.

If you antagonize them, some cops and DAs in some states will hold you partly to blame. I suggest growing up and ignoring them would be a better option.


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05 Apr 2011, 12:11 am

Yeah, no. Sorry. Call me immature if you like but I'm not going to let these bastards say s**t about my country. Given, I'm a government malcontent on the best of days, but even I know where to draw the line when it comes to getting a message across. These guys have repeatedly crossed that line, without remorse.

I could be really immature and say I'm going to assassinate the first WBC member to cross the city limits (and given Laramie's previous history with them, I'd probably get away with it too) but I know that a) it's fundamentally wrong, b) it would only serve to make Fred Phelps a martyr, and c) that's not how I roll. Besides, I know how to be annoying without being overtly antagonistic. If I got jumped for "fighting words" (which BTW you are seriously overusing that term) that'd be one thing. But that's different from just being annoying. Even from a completely neutral legal standpoint, being annoying is not a mitigating circumstance for physical assault. And remember that this is Laramie, I seriously doubt after the Matthew Shepard incident that anyone would be willing to stick their necks out in defense of the WBC here. Even if they had a case, they'd have a hard time proving it to a Wyoming judge and jury.


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05 Apr 2011, 12:16 am

I would hit on the females and ask the males if they would proudly serve our country.


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05 Apr 2011, 12:33 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFYdXWWq2Bk&feature=related[/youtube]


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05 Apr 2011, 12:37 am

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I might ask some of the younger kids if they were being abused. Depending on the answer, I'd call CFS and see if they could stage an intervention. Fred Phelps was a horribly abusive parent and the kids need to be protected from that.

That would be extremely unlikely to work even the parents left you with a window of opportunity.


You'd simply get a sample of the kids to admit to it under tape and send that tape to Kansas Child and Family Services.


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05 Apr 2011, 12:51 am

I don't know Kansas state child welfare law, but I think a pretty good case for intervention could be made given that the Phelps family recklessly and knowingly takes their children to dangerous, intentionally provocative protests.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50r0CnKq7_k&feature=related[/youtube]


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05 Apr 2011, 1:17 am

"The group carries out daily picketing in Topeka (purportedly six per day with fifteen on Sunday)[13] and travels nationally to picket the funerals of gay victims of murder, gay-bashing or people who have died from complications relating to AIDS; "


Honestly if they did that to a family member or friend of mine. I couldn't be held responsible for my actions. I mean how are they still alive? Obviously the rest of societies a lot more forgiving than they are. I don't think i could "turn the other cheek" to them.



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05 Apr 2011, 1:21 am

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"The group carries out daily picketing in Topeka (purportedly six per day with fifteen on Sunday)[13] and travels nationally to picket the funerals of gay victims of murder, gay-bashing or people who have died from complications relating to AIDS; "


Honestly if they did that to a family member or friend of mine. I couldn't be held responsible for my actions. I mean how are they still alive? Obviously the rest of societies a lot more forgiving than they are. I don't think i could "turn the other cheek" to them.


I'm not sure I could turn the other cheek if they picketed one of my loved one's funerals.

Especially if they did it to my soldier cousin if he were to die.


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05 Apr 2011, 1:25 am

While I've never had a really closely nit family beyond my parent, and while the only immediate family deaths I experienced where when I was 6,7, and 10 (my - through adoption of my father - grandfather, grandmother, and uncle respectively), and while I know of no immediate family member serving in the military, I think I can comfortably say were I in such a situation I'd manage to keep myself restrained. Knowing that the protesters are lunatics on the absolute fringes of society would really blunt the blow, I think.


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05 Apr 2011, 1:29 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
While I've never had a really closely nit family beyond my parent, and while the only immediate family deaths I experienced where when I was 6,7, and 10 (my - through adoption of my father - grandfather, grandmother, and uncle respectively), and while I know of no immediate family member serving in the military, I think I can comfortably say were I in such a situation I'd manage to keep myself restrained. Knowing that the protesters are lunatics on the absolute fringes of society would really blunt the blow, I think.


I've had quite a few deaths in my family these last 5 years. I'm almost certain I would end up punching one of the adults.


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05 Apr 2011, 1:33 am

It might just a temperamental quirk, as I tend to internalize stress and rage quite a bit.


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05 Apr 2011, 1:34 am

So do I, but there are situations where I would lash out.


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05 Apr 2011, 12:24 pm

I'd ask if they are going to make any more anti-musician music videos.