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23 Apr 2011, 12:15 am

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I have never been called a fa***t or a ret*d by a liberal

I have, among other things far worse.

Maybe they thought a clown should be called a clown?

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23 Apr 2011, 12:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

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AceOfSpades wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

I have never been called a fa***t or a ret*d by a liberal

fa***t makes sense, but what's stopping em from calling someone a ret*d?

I guess the word is seen as a slur.

It's especially cruel when aimed at a person with a genuine mental disability. Back in my public school days, even though I was often the smartest kid in class, because I was perceived to be so socially inept that I was often labeled as a "ret*d."
Back in those days, nobody in this country had any idea what high functioning autism was.

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Oh ok he meant ret*d as in special needs and not as in stupid.

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23 Apr 2011, 3:15 am

TheModestBighead wrote:

Briefly speaking, I observe that conservatives are more likely to go by "It is what it is" meaning it's to be accepted for what it is (maybe because of conservatives' less need for change for change's sake and also the religious aspect that often comes along with conservatism) while liberals are more likely to go by "Why is it what it is?"

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Asking "Why is it what it is" presupposes it is what it is.

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23 Apr 2011, 10:04 am

Speaking in contemporary terms, I see conservatives and liberals like this when it comes to change:
Either may want to change the status quo (or what has become the status quo) but the difference is in what gets changed, how it gets changed, and what it gets changed to.
If a politician promises change I want to know exactly what changes and how we’re going to get there from here in logical and realistic terms.

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23 Apr 2011, 11:03 am

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The words "conservative" and "liberal" have changed a lot since their first context. In the 1700's and 1800's liberals preferred revolution to turn monarchies into democracies....

King Louis-Philippe I of France was known as the "bourgeois king" and was initially supported by France's liberals. In the United Kingdom, the Liberals and today the Liberal Democrats have worked within the framework of constitutional monarchy. A position of republicanism would suggest active opposition to the monarchy (many liberals in Europe were willing to compromise on this position).

Liberalism is the dominant political and social philosophy to come from the Age of Enlightenment and Modernity:

Individual liberties held against the greater society and government
- Freedom of speech/expression
- Freedom of religion/conscience
- Freedom of the press
- Freedom of assembly
- Et cetera
Democratic participation in government
General support for market-based mechanisms in the economy
Support for social and technological progress through science
- Modern medicine
- Quantifiable, rational mechanism for measuring social goods
Tolerance of differences in custom, heritage, belief, etc.

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23 Apr 2011, 1:57 pm

Bethie wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

I have never been called a fa***t or a ret*d by a liberal

I have, among other things far worse.

Maybe they thought a clown should be called a clown?

Or more likely, liberals just can't handle diversity of opinion, which has been proven to often be the case.

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23 Apr 2011, 4:25 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

Bethie wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

I have never been called a fa***t or a ret*d by a liberal

I have, among other things far worse.

Maybe they thought a clown should be called a clown?

Or more likely, liberals just can't handle diversity of opinion, which has been proven to often be the case.[/quote

yes. .. oh how the liberals hate diversity. :wink:

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23 Apr 2011, 6:45 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Bethie wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

I have never been called a fa***t or a ret*d by a liberal

I have, among other things far worse.

Maybe they thought a clown should be called a clown?

Or more likely, liberals just can't handle diversity of opinion, which has been proven to often be the case.[/quote

yes. .. oh how the liberals hate diversity. :wink:

Must be why conservatives are so gung ho for gay marriage, and for treating Muslim Americans with such a lack of suspicion.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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24 Apr 2011, 12:06 am

JakobVirgil wrote:

I have never been called a fa***t or a ret*d by a liberal

I disagree with that difference. In fact, I have observed people considering themselves on both, the conservative and liberal side, acting similar.

In other words, an a**hole is an a**hole wether is liberal, conservative or whatever.

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24 Apr 2011, 12:09 am

NeantHumain wrote:

The Liberal Democrats are nothing like the Liberals of old. They're just another illiberal social democratic party which claims to be liberal but isn't.

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24 Apr 2011, 1:46 am

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No, wanting to stop illegal immigration is about wanting to preserve the sovereignty of this country, a country that refuses to defend its own borders soon ceases to be a country.

Given that we have had a steady flow of immigration, not always legally defined, since before we even were a nation, I can't buy that argument. It is a desire to take a river that has always flowed and stick a dam on it. That IS change. The fact that people got on the riverboat and got upset when they actually got swept down river doesn't make it the river boats fault. It did what it has always done. It is the upset passengers that misunderstood the journey, and want to cry foul that they can't re-land at the same spot they left from. So they try to dam the river.

You must have missed the word "illegal" in Inuyasha's post. He's not talking about damming the river, just putting up some dikes on the riverbanks to avoid dangerous floods.

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24 Apr 2011, 5:44 am

JakobVirgil wrote:

I have never been called a fa***t or a ret*d by a liberal

Hang around some college students who've been drinking and you'll hear those epitaphs and worse come out of their mouths, liberal or not. Assholery doesn't seem to have any ideology, regardless of the posturing that goes on here about who's worse. For a more immediate example, peruse Pandabear's Rush Limbaugh threads, I believe he uses at least one of those terms in the derogatory sense, along with a number of others not mentioned here.

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24 Apr 2011, 7:37 am

Tequila wrote:

NeantHumain wrote:

The Liberal Democrats are nothing like the Liberals of old. They're just another illiberal social democratic party which claims to be liberal but isn't.

+1 tho the Liberal Democrats now are whatabe conservatives when your in bed with the Tory's you start to think like a Tory.

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24 Apr 2011, 8:15 am

psychohist wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

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No, wanting to stop illegal immigration is about wanting to preserve the sovereignty of this country, a country that refuses to defend its own borders soon ceases to be a country.

Given that we have had a steady flow of immigration, not always legally defined, since before we even were a nation, I can't buy that argument. It is a desire to take a river that has always flowed and stick a dam on it. That IS change. The fact that people got on the riverboat and got upset when they actually got swept down river doesn't make it the river boats fault. It did what it has always done. It is the upset passengers that misunderstood the journey, and want to cry foul that they can't re-land at the same spot they left from. So they try to dam the river.

You must have missed the word "illegal" in Inuyasha's post. He's not talking about damming the river, just putting up some dikes on the riverbanks to avoid dangerous floods.

you might have trouble reading as well
maybe people disagree with your view because they understand it.

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24 Apr 2011, 11:50 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

psychohist wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

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No, wanting to stop illegal immigration is about wanting to preserve the sovereignty of this country, a country that refuses to defend its own borders soon ceases to be a country.

You must have missed the word "illegal" in Inuyasha's post. He's not talking about damming the river, just putting up some dikes on the riverbanks to avoid dangerous floods.

you might have trouble reading as well
maybe people disagree with your view because they understand it.

Well this is a case where you are quite simply full of it. I actually have an Aunt whose parents are from Mexico and as far as I know they entered the US legally, my Aunt was born a US citizen. You sir are implying that I have some sort of racial hatred towards members of my own family. Quite frankly you are way out of line, and I would like an apology.

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24 Apr 2011, 11:57 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

psychohist wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

Quote:

No, wanting to stop illegal immigration is about wanting to preserve the sovereignty of this country, a country that refuses to defend its own borders soon ceases to be a country.

You must have missed the word "illegal" in Inuyasha's post. He's not talking about damming the river, just putting up some dikes on the riverbanks to avoid dangerous floods.

you might have trouble reading as well
maybe people disagree with your view because they understand it.

Quite frankly, I too am appalled and disgusted. Clearly you sir are a liberal and hate America like Barack HUSSEIN (zomfg

) Obama.

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