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10 May 2011, 10:38 pm

leejosepho wrote:

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People should be allowed to censure ...

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Censure (pronounced /ˈsɛnʃər/) is a process by which a formal reprimand is issued to an individual by an authoritative body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure

Only moderators can do that here.

I think this is a word with two meanings:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/censure

cen·sure (snshr)
n.
1. An expression of strong disapproval or harsh criticism.
2. An official rebuke, as by a legislature of one of its members.
tr.v. cen·sured, cen·sur·ing, cen·sures
1. To criticize severely; blame. See Synonyms at criticize.
2. To express official disapproval of: "whether the Senate will censure one of its members for conflict of interest" (Washington Post).

In any case, we probably could have charitably interpreted the matter anyway, by reinterpreting the word to one with similar meaning and connotation without official involvement, as it seems clear that part of the motivation for word choice was aesthetic.

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10 May 2011, 10:51 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

People should be allowed to censure ...

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Censure (pronounced /ˈsɛnʃər/) is a process by which a formal reprimand is issued to an individual by an authoritative body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure

Only moderators can do that here.

This is the second time someone has failed to look up the later meaning when trying to pull a "gottcha" moment on me.

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10 May 2011, 10:54 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

People should be allowed to censure ...

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Censure (pronounced /ˈsɛnʃər/) is a process by which a formal reprimand is issued to an individual by an authoritative body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censure

Only moderators can do that here.

This is the second time someone has failed to look up the later meaning when trying to pull a "gottcha" moment on me.

I love it when this happens. Its the best kind of victory, that requires no effort on one's own part.

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10 May 2011, 10:58 pm

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This is the second time someone has failed to look up the later meaning when trying to pull a "gottcha" moment on me.

No, I would not do that to you. In fact, I agree with AG here ...

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... we probably could have charitably interpreted the matter anyway, by reinterpreting the word to one with similar meaning and connotation without official involvement ...

So then, my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

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10 May 2011, 10:59 pm

leejosepho wrote:

So then, my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

I disagree. AG is the authority on both glory and awesomeness

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10 May 2011, 11:01 pm

leejosepho wrote:

So then, my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

No, not really.

First of all, I already showed his usage was plain correct.

Second of all, my point that you quoted was that even if his usage was incorrect, we could still reliably reinterpret it to have a clear meaning.

Your point isn't simple. It's debunked as the language claims it relies on are false, regardless of whether the atheists are an authoritative body or not.

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10 May 2011, 11:02 pm

Every Atheist is his or her own authority

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10 May 2011, 11:03 pm

leejosepho wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

This is the second time someone has failed to look up the later meaning when trying to pull a "gottcha" moment on me.

No, I would not do that to you. In fact, I agree with AG here ...

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... we probably could have charitably interpreted the matter anyway, by reinterpreting the word to one with similar meaning and connotation without official involvement ...

So then, my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

Face it, your point was crap. Any sense of the word can easily apply to what MP was saying, and the only difference is that some senses of the word are formal and some aren't. But the main point of the word overall is that it is about criticism, not suppression. So all you're doing is trying to save face by putting MP's comment under a legal context. This is plain nitpicking since it's about criticism one way or the other.

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10 May 2011, 11:04 pm

Vigilans wrote:

Every Atheist is his or her own authority

False. I am the authority.

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10 May 2011, 11:04 pm

leejosepho wrote:

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This is the second time someone has failed to look up the later meaning when trying to pull a "gottcha" moment on me.

No, I would not do that to you. In fact, I agree with AG here ...

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... we probably could have charitably interpreted the matter anyway, by reinterpreting the word to one with similar meaning and connotation without official involvement ...

So then, my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

Yes, you did fail at word pedantry here. You stated that censuring required an official authority when other meanings of the word make it quite clear that it does not. If you're going to correct people on word usage have the decency to look up all senses of the term on an online or paper dictionary.

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10 May 2011, 11:19 pm

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leejosepho wrote:

So then, my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

I disagree. AG is the authority on both glory and awesomeness

That is fine :wink:

, but I doubt you are missing my point here.

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10 May 2011, 11:19 pm

That's something I admire about Atheists - when it comes to making a determination, theirs is a sovereign issue.

They can make up their own minds without any "supernatural" or "paranormal" influences, and are not bound by arbitrary dogma or religious traditions.

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10 May 2011, 11:21 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

This is the second time someone has failed to look up the later meaning when trying to pull a "gottcha" moment on me.

No, I would not do that to you. In fact, I agree with AG here ...

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... we probably could have charitably interpreted the matter anyway, by reinterpreting the word to one with similar meaning and connotation without official involvement ...

So then, my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

Yeah this is really pathetic. All leejosepho really did was pull a straw man by asserting that you used the definition he pointed out when you clearly didn't mean it in the legal sense. Whether it's in the legal or informal sense is irrelevant anyways since ALL definitions of the word are about criticism and disapproval which is the basic point. Unless leejosepho wasn't actually being serious and was just being witty about it.

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10 May 2011, 11:22 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

... my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

Face it, your point was crap.

There is no "was" there, there is only an "is" ... and the days of the atheists (or at least certain ones) "having the run of this place" as any kind of self-appointed "authoritative body" have now ended.

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10 May 2011, 11:25 pm

leejosepho wrote:

AceOfSpades wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

... my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

Face it, your point was crap.

Seblantics. I said "was" cuz I was referring to the post that brought this issue up in the first place. That post came before the post I quoted. Unless you're just being witty, your point is based on nothing more than a straw man. I'm not a pedantic person, I'm mostly concise, direct, and informal. But it doesn't take an Oxford English professor to figure out what sense of the word he was using.

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10 May 2011, 11:27 pm

leejosepho wrote:

AceOfSpades wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

... my point here is a very simple one: The atheists here in PPR do not constitute any kind of authoritative body.

Face it, your point was crap.

Something can be crap in the past tense while crap in the present tense and even crap in the future tense simultaneously. Regardless, you've completely missed the point - the word "censure" doesn't necessarily entail rebuke by a formal authoritive body, it can also mean "rebuke" from anyone. Please don't try to correct people on word usage as you clearly are over your head.

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