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I have noticed these boards to be really intolerant to religious people. Please do not lump all religious people under delusional (etc) because of the actions of a very small vocal minority who based this all on one man's words. I am a religious Christian, and I never once suspected the world was going to end today. One man does not speak for several billion people.

While I understand that much that is negative has happened because of or in the name of religion, that does not mean that faith, on it's own, is divisive. As much as I hate to admit it, the truth is that PEOPLE, broadly generalizing, are divisive, and almost always seem to find a way to divide and hate. If they do not do it by religion, they do it by something else. How else can you explain the existence of deep conflicts almost everywhere there are people, regardless of their beliefs, culture, and racial homogeneity?

Consider this: in my opinion, you, yourself, in this thread use divisive and negative language, and post divisive and negative generalizations. Yet you can't blame it on religion, because you profess none.

Teaching children to overcome those instincts isn't a matter of either / or. Teaching diversity and acceptance in all forms can be done regardless of religion, in most cases (although clearly exceptions exist, where the faith leaders demand hate and division, but those are EXCEPTIONS).

If you were to teach your daughter that all Christians believe the things you have written in this thread ... then you would not be educating your daughter towards making the world a better place. You would, instead, be teaching her to divide and hate based on a very poor and unfair generalization. Just something to think about.

I sadly fear that that is not the issue.

If there were no rapture predictions -

If there were no Creationists -

If no religious leader had ever abused his position -

If no evangelist had ever knocked on a door or handed out a tract -

If there had never been a crusade, jihad, or Maji-Maji rebellion -

If no child had ever been dragged to church uncomprehending -

Certain ones raised in a barn with their heads in the sand would still prance around the playground shouting slogans to gain the approval of the other middle schoolers.

again the argument put forth woks equally well in both directions

"Certain ones raised in a barn with their heads in the sand would still prance around the playground shouting slogans to gain the approval of the other middle schoolers."

not that i disagree some might actually do that, just as many in the church would dance around on judgement day shouting HA at atheists, now enough about hypotheticals.
in the real world religions has been the course of much suffering and it continues every day.
if you are religious i think you have a greater responsibility towards your fellow man to speak up and weed out the religious people that cause these problems for the rationally religious.

when people that want nothing to do with religion are forced to deal with religion on a daily basis much frustration builds and i can understand some of the religion bashing going on.

Did I just see someone who worships a zombie-powered Jew on a stick ask to not be called delusional?

Now, now, be fair. He was removed from the stick so that he could become a zombie. As well, the claim is very good, as we have 2000 year old writings by anonymous sources and a man who had visions corroborating the zombie man's zombification and magical powers.

...... random thought: Is Darth Vader evil Jesus? He was born of a virgin(or some other such), has magical powers, and basically came back from the dead in a body of glory.

It's actually alluded to by the repeated mentioning of the midi-chlorians in The Phantom Menace that it is that same life-energy which caused Anakin Skywalker to be conceived. Lucas had wanted to make "The Force" something tangible, and therefore decided on a physiological conductor, and yet in episodes IV-VI he wasn't able to work it into the plot convincingly, which is why he was adamant about it being included in Episode I, being of chronological significance.

So it would have to be that the midi-chlorians themselves are manifestation of a supernatural force- spitballing, the physical mechanism by which some unseen intelligence exerts its will.

(Don't become a Wookiepedia editor, kids. It gets to ya.)

I know about the midichlorians. I am unsure how that actually changes the "magic".

Are you a wookiepedia editor? Also, have you kept up much with the expanded series? (I stopped sometime around the Yuuzhan Vong war/whatever)

Too far.

Hast thou noticed that the majority of Wrong Planeteers are people who ought to know what it is to be mobbed and mocked by a gang of middle-schoolers in engineer boots?

Thereby proving people are human.

Show some Respect, guys. If you're going to try to claim that you can be a good person without religion, don't waste so much time offending people for the sake of it. It's counterproductive.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0XAI-PFQcA[/youtube]

I've watched this topic from the beginning, and I have to say I'm saddened (but not surprised) by all the hostility here.

I'm not a fan of religion, but mocking people for having faith in something is just mean.

Well said.

Having a faith or belief is a private matter. When people institutionalize their faith or belief it makes an impact on the public. Churches lobby for their own interests and get unjustifiable tax breaks from the government. Thus, the rest of us who have to pay for this foolishness haver every right to be contemptuous.

If believers would just keep still and keep their beliefs private we would all be better off.

ruveyn

Personally, I believe the idea of AS somehow being inherently resistant here is a deception ... and no, I certainly do not mean to be saying you are deceiving anyone. Rather, I have yet to ever see anything inherently incompatible between AS and "God" even though there surely are many things presently blocking that kind of connection.

Wow, does that ever brink back memories!

I had long ago forgotten all about Engineer Boots!


... and the same could be said of/for/to non-believers, of course, eh?!

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