What does the U.S Get from its support of Israel?

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24 May 2011, 10:27 pm

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This is not a question of right and wrong or why does the U.S. support Israel.
but what material benefit does the U.S. get from its Israel policy?
How is it anyone's (other than Israels) national interest to support Israel?

Back in the days of the Cold War Israel was a potential aircraft carrier for American air power. Nowadays we get help from Israeli intelligence which is better at dealing with Muslims than our CIA. Obviously Israel is not as useful to use now as she was back in the Cold War.

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So Israel is useful to spy on the Muslims which hate us mostly because of our support of Israel, so we should continue supporting Israel.

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24 May 2011, 10:54 pm

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So Israel is useful to spy on the Muslims which hate us mostly because of our support of Israel, so we should continue supporting Israel.

What the US gets is a powerful engine for generating terrorists who see the USA as the main factor which deters Israel from facing its outstanding problem of living peacefully with the sea of Arabs in which it is immersed. That the puerile rocket attacks and the few suicide bombers is considered justifying cause for the thousands of violent attacks on the relatively helpless Palestinians who sustain huge fatalities of helpless civilians and are furious at being held in the huge concentration camp of Gaza and at the outright theft of Arab land to expand the area of Israel is clear to the rest of the world and not in any way acknowledged by the USA. I doubt the price is worth the expense. But the Israeli lobby in the USA has the legislature by the balls and they quail at the prospect of criticizing Israel for fear of not getting re-elected.

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25 May 2011, 4:52 am

I suppose we can say we are standing by a loyal friend, which is the only real democracy in that part of the world. So we have the satisfaction that we're defending the philosophy of free government, I imagine.
So that's it - we get the sense we did a good job, along with a tranquil heart out of it!

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25 May 2011, 5:22 am

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So that's it - we get the sense we did a good job, along with a tranquil heart out of it!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Read
http://www.counterpunch.org/cook01252003.html

and decide if Israel is a democracy.

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25 May 2011, 5:24 am

I don't agree with all of it but it is good food for thought:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... page=0%2C0

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25 May 2011, 5:38 am

91 wrote:

I don't agree with all of it but it is good food for thought:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... page=0%2C0

The author of the article. Michael Oren who is the Israeli ambassador to the USA might be somewhat suspect as to prejudice.

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25 May 2011, 6:00 am

Sand wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

So that's it - we get the sense we did a good job, along with a tranquil heart out of it!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Read
http://www.counterpunch.org/cook01252003.html

and decide if Israel is a democracy.

To be sure, that constitutes something to think about.

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25 May 2011, 8:00 am

What does the U.S. get from its support of Pakistan?

Do we get any oil from them?

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25 May 2011, 8:40 am

ruveyn wrote:

What does the U.S. get from its support of Pakistan?

Do we get any oil from them?

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this is a great question?
even oil does not excuse interest its a commodity it flows on markets not alliances.
add Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to the list

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25 May 2011, 8:46 am

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What does the U.S. get from its support of Pakistan?

Do we get any oil from them?

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During the Cold War India was more Soviet aligned and Pakistan was an ally to China and the US. Nowadays we get their cooperation in the War On Terror(hahaha) and their stability(don't want their nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands)

Strategically I don't think the US gains much strategically from it's relationship with Israel. I think it's more born out of the lobbying efforts of the largest Jewish population in the world(equal or larger to Israel) and pro-Zionist Evangelical/fundamentalist Christians.

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25 May 2011, 9:10 am

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Strategically I don't think the US gains much strategically from it's relationship with Israel. I think it's more born out of the lobbying efforts of the largest Jewish population in the world(equal or larger to Israel) and pro-Zionist Evangelical/fundamentalist Christians.

All the more reason for ending the monetary gifts. If the U.S. is going to subsidize its corporations, let it do so plainly and visibly.

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25 May 2011, 10:12 am

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All the more reason for ending the monetary gifts. If the U.S. is going to subsidize its corporations, let it do so plainly and visibly.

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I think we should have a constitutional amendment precluding and non-food/medical gifts to foreign countries.

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25 May 2011, 10:17 am

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I think we should have a constitutional amendment precluding and non-food/medical gifts to foreign countries.

I don't agree, it was not all that long ago when Britain needed tanks to fight... food aid would not have been enough then.

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25 May 2011, 10:47 am

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ruveyn wrote:

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All the more reason for ending the monetary gifts. If the U.S. is going to subsidize its corporations, let it do so plainly and visibly.

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I think we should have a constitutional amendment precluding and non-food/medical gifts to foreign countries.

There doesn't need to be a constitutional amendment on the matter since foreign aid has no basis in constitution as it is.

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25 May 2011, 11:24 am

they need to determine the real reasoning behind our support of Israel. I believe if the american government continues support we need to set mandates as far as human rights issues with palestine..as that tends to come back to haunt us all the time.

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25 May 2011, 11:47 am

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What does the U.S. get from its support of Pakistan?

Do we get any oil from them?

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We get a base from which to supply our operations in Afghanistan.

We really wanted to do that in turkey instead, but the turks wanted something in return that we were unwilling to give them. This was never made public, but i suspect they wanted kurdistan.

We give pakistan a lot of money, almost what we spend in a week in afghanistan.

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