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17 Jun 2011, 7:49 pm

I find those left of center tend to be the hostile types. They actually think we on the right (institutionally and individually) are evil whereas we on the right just think they are misguided, foolish, non-wise, etc.

they like to read into your intentions and assume motives. (I tend to take everyone seriously just to make sure I don't misread their motives / intentions.) They (leftists) are always quick to attack the personhood of someone.

they also tend to think that the ends justifies the dirty ways they get there.

They demote you to a blind-believing idiot or on someone's payroll. They can't actually believe that we believe the things that we do.


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17 Jun 2011, 8:42 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Avoiding use of the verb "to be" reduces these incidents dramatically, and improves critical thinking immensely.


Elimination of vocabulary for the sake of reducing misunderstanding is not the way to go.


Quoted for irony.

Also, try it for one post and see for yourself. You'll find yourself unable to say "That's stupid, you're a moron," and many other essentially meaningless things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime


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17 Jun 2011, 11:43 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Avoiding use of the verb "to be" reduces these incidents dramatically, and improves critical thinking immensely.


Elimination of vocabulary for the sake of reducing misunderstanding is not the way to go.


Quoted for irony.

Also, try it for one post and see for yourself. You'll find yourself unable to say "That's stupid, you're a moron," and many other essentially meaningless things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime


Yes, instead, one can still say: "How stupid. Moron." That being even without the usage of the existence verb.



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18 Jun 2011, 2:21 am

There is a general accepted regulation at this site wherein opinions and obviously wrong information can be freely labeled ill informed, incorrect or downright moronic. Something here or there on occasion can be so labeled with no sense of vituperation.
But when the total output of a contributor is clearly in one of those unacceptable categories the suspicion arises that the source of that mess might be somehow defective. It may seem impolite to say so but the temptation sometimes become irresistible.



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18 Jun 2011, 5:34 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime


Yes, instead, one can still say: "How stupid. Moron." That being even without the usage of the existence verb.


Your sentence reads, "how stupid (that is)," really, if you examine it, and what do you mean by "That being," seriously? I don't believe you have given this enough thought to dismiss it, yet.


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18 Jun 2011, 9:11 am

Sand wrote:
There is a general accepted regulation at this site wherein opinions and obviously wrong information can be freely labeled ill informed, incorrect or downright moronic. Something here or there on occasion can be so labeled with no sense of vituperation.
But when the total output of a contributor is clearly in one of those unacceptable categories the suspicion arises that the source of that mess might be somehow defective. It may seem impolite to say so but the temptation sometimes become irresistible.


And some are willing to jump the gun any opportunity they get in order to say what they want.



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18 Jun 2011, 9:19 am

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Yeah, but ya know what, 'keet? It might bother SOME people, and I'm cool with cleaning house if that's how the majority of WP PPR feels. You know, "sticks an' stones." But really, I think some less mature users just don't know the ropes yet and are just imitating what they mistakenly perceive to happen elsewhere. Take someone like AG--you really do have to go to pretty great lengths to garner his ridicule. Even Sand will "play nice" as long as everyone else does. I may disagree with them on certain issues, but I've never experienced a rapid deterioration into name-calling and faulty logic with them and others.


Is this a new development or do I just see him when he's posting sardonic quips at the beginning of threads.



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18 Jun 2011, 9:20 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime


Yes, instead, one can still say: "How stupid. Moron." That being even without the usage of the existence verb.


Your sentence reads, "how stupid (that is)," really, if you examine it, and what do you mean by "That being," seriously? I don't believe you have given this enough thought to dismiss it, yet.


Why should anyone have to destroy the grammar of their language? For the sake of a supposed fence against malevolent usage, taking away not only reasonable grammatical constructions in the present tense, but also practically obliterating the past and future tenses. No. Destroying a language for the sake of a mere fence is going to be ineffective anyway. A fence will only exist to be overrun and I am not going to destroy my language for the sake of a mere fence.



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18 Jun 2011, 9:45 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime


Why should anyone have to destroy the grammar of their language? For the sake of a supposed fence against malevolent usage, taking away not only reasonable grammatical constructions in the present tense, but also practically obliterating the past and future tenses. No. Destroying a language for the sake of a mere fence is going to be ineffective anyway. A fence will only exist to be overrun and I am not going to destroy my language for the sake of a mere fence.


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The E-Prime versions communicate the speaker's experience rather than judgment, making it harder for the writer or reader to confuse opinion with fact.


I have had enough of this. Enjoy your confusion.


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18 Jun 2011, 9:58 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime


Why should anyone have to destroy the grammar of their language? For the sake of a supposed fence against malevolent usage, taking away not only reasonable grammatical constructions in the present tense, but also practically obliterating the past and future tenses. No. Destroying a language for the sake of a mere fence is going to be ineffective anyway. A fence will only exist to be overrun and I am not going to destroy my language for the sake of a mere fence.


Wikipedia wrote:
The E-Prime versions communicate the speaker's experience rather than judgment, making it harder for the writer or reader to confuse opinion with fact.


I have had enough of this. Enjoy your confusion.


Enjoy your neutered version of the English language. Goodbye.



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18 Jun 2011, 4:26 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
I find those left of center tend to be the hostile types. They actually think we on the right (institutionally and individually) are evil whereas we on the right just think they are misguided, foolish, non-wise, etc.

they like to read into your intentions and assume motives. (I tend to take everyone seriously just to make sure I don't misread their motives / intentions.) They (leftists) are always quick to attack the personhood of someone.

they also tend to think that the ends justifies the dirty ways they get there.

They demote you to a blind-believing idiot or on someone's payroll. They can't actually believe that we believe the things that we do.

People on the "left" are more hostile because we see a lot of attitudes on the right as crude/un-nuanced and insensitive. The hostility of the left is retaliatory to the right even though people on the right think they have done nothing to deserve hostility and see themselves as innocent angels being unfairly demonized and attacked. In short, the right doesn't understand it's own image problem.



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18 Jun 2011, 6:35 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
Avoiding use of the verb "to be" reduces these incidents dramatically, and improves critical thinking immensely.

So..you become less of lightening rod for insult if you take "to be" out of your sentences?
Could you give some examples please?



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19 Jun 2011, 11:18 pm

marshall wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
I find those left of center tend to be the hostile types. They actually think we on the right (institutionally and individually) are evil whereas we on the right just think they are misguided, foolish, non-wise, etc.

they like to read into your intentions and assume motives. (I tend to take everyone seriously just to make sure I don't misread their motives / intentions.) They (leftists) are always quick to attack the personhood of someone.

they also tend to think that the ends justifies the dirty ways they get there.

They demote you to a blind-believing idiot or on someone's payroll. They can't actually believe that we believe the things that we do.

People on the "left" are more hostile because we see a lot of attitudes on the right as crude/un-nuanced and insensitive. The hostility of the left is retaliatory to the right even though people on the right think they have done nothing to deserve hostility and see themselves as innocent angels being unfairly demonized and attacked. In short, the right doesn't understand it's own image problem.


Maybe its time you step away from the left's stereotyping of people on the right, cause quite frankly the right (based on behavior of individuals on the left (including the media)) are nothing more than a bunch of intolerant bigots that hypocritically attack us for not being tolerant, yet they are far more intolerant than I have ever seen on the right. Yeah my boss (whom is a conservative) pushes me to do things that are outside of my comfort zone like running the cash register and refining my interaction with customers on the sales floor (and I'm pretty competitent at interacting with customers), but I don't see it as a lack of understanding. He is pushing me to try to help me rather than dismissing me as: 'oh he can't do this or that because of his disability,' so I think I like him as a boss rather than someone that would dismiss me as being a token hire to claim they are an equal opportunity employer.



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19 Jun 2011, 11:57 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
I find those left of center tend to be the hostile types. They actually think we on the right (institutionally and individually) are evil whereas we on the right just think they are misguided, foolish, non-wise, etc.

they like to read into your intentions and assume motives. (I tend to take everyone seriously just to make sure I don't misread their motives / intentions.) They (leftists) are always quick to attack the personhood of someone.

they also tend to think that the ends justifies the dirty ways they get there.

They demote you to a blind-believing idiot or on someone's payroll. They can't actually believe that we believe the things that we do.

People on the "left" are more hostile because we see a lot of attitudes on the right as crude/un-nuanced and insensitive. The hostility of the left is retaliatory to the right even though people on the right think they have done nothing to deserve hostility and see themselves as innocent angels being unfairly demonized and attacked. In short, the right doesn't understand it's own image problem.


Maybe its time you step away from the left's stereotyping of people on the right, cause quite frankly the right (based on behavior of individuals on the left (including the media)) are nothing more than a bunch of intolerant bigots that hypocritically attack us for not being tolerant, yet they are far more intolerant than I have ever seen on the right. Yeah my boss (whom is a conservative) pushes me to do things that are outside of my comfort zone like running the cash register and refining my interaction with customers on the sales floor (and I'm pretty competitent at interacting with customers), but I don't see it as a lack of understanding. He is pushing me to try to help me rather than dismissing me as: 'oh he can't do this or that because of his disability,' so I think I like him as a boss rather than someone that would dismiss me as being a token hire to claim they are an equal opportunity employer.

It's not stereotyping when my experiences are straight from the horses mouth. Besides, your anecdote about your boss pushing you has nothing to do with the topic. The kind of intolerance I'm taking about are things like claiming that which sex you are attracted to is a moral choice. Stuff that is offensive because it completely dismisses the personal experience of others in favor of crude self-satisfied ignorance.



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20 Jun 2011, 2:27 am

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
I find those left of center tend to be the hostile types. They actually think we on the right (institutionally and individually) are evil whereas we on the right just think they are misguided, foolish, non-wise, etc.

they like to read into your intentions and assume motives. (I tend to take everyone seriously just to make sure I don't misread their motives / intentions.) They (leftists) are always quick to attack the personhood of someone.

they also tend to think that the ends justifies the dirty ways they get there.

They demote you to a blind-believing idiot or on someone's payroll. They can't actually believe that we believe the things that we do.

People on the "left" are more hostile because we see a lot of attitudes on the right as crude/un-nuanced and insensitive. The hostility of the left is retaliatory to the right even though people on the right think they have done nothing to deserve hostility and see themselves as innocent angels being unfairly demonized and attacked. In short, the right doesn't understand it's own image problem.


Maybe its time you step away from the left's stereotyping of people on the right, cause quite frankly the right (based on behavior of individuals on the left (including the media)) are nothing more than a bunch of intolerant bigots that hypocritically attack us for not being tolerant, yet they are far more intolerant than I have ever seen on the right. Yeah my boss (whom is a conservative) pushes me to do things that are outside of my comfort zone like running the cash register and refining my interaction with customers on the sales floor (and I'm pretty competitent at interacting with customers), but I don't see it as a lack of understanding. He is pushing me to try to help me rather than dismissing me as: 'oh he can't do this or that because of his disability,' so I think I like him as a boss rather than someone that would dismiss me as being a token hire to claim they are an equal opportunity employer.

It's not stereotyping when my experiences are straight from the horses mouth. Besides, your anecdote about your boss pushing you has nothing to do with the topic. The kind of intolerance I'm taking about are things like claiming that which sex you are attracted to is a moral choice. Stuff that is offensive because it completely dismisses the personal experience of others in favor of crude self-satisfied ignorance.


It is stereotyping. Whether or not it's justified is it's own discussion.



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23 Jun 2011, 5:25 pm

Wow, ironic humour - cool, lets think.... o' ye pots how thou doth declare the kettles black.... :lol:


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