Any Americans who support the European Union

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It's not working so well nowadays... Old secessionist movements are growing stronger (though admittedly not by too much right now), and new ones are coming up. Vermont, Texas, Alaska, along with the entire South and Pacific Northwest have visible separatist movements.

Los Estados Unidos is falling apart, gringo, and nobody wants to be around to pick up the pieces afterward!

Write me when it actually happens.

ruveyn

No-one ever voted for the European Union here. The British voted to remain in (i.e. not join, but to remain) in the "Common Market" in 1975 but have never had any referenda since.

In fact, apart from when severe pressure was put on the populations in these countries people have very often voted 'no' when they have had a choice. For instance, of the countries that had a referendum on Euro, Denmark and Sweden decided to opt-out. In the referendum on the European Constitution, the French and the Dutch both said 'no' to it - the Spanish and the Luxembourgers said 'yes', but the referendums in the other countries never happened because the EU hierarchy realised that more rejections would come their way.

In the Lisbon Treaty referendum, no other country was allowed a vote on it. The only country that did get a vote on it - due to their national constitution - was Ireland. Ireland voted 'no' the first time round. he second time a relentless, unanimous (every political party, every media outlet, every major businessman - the second time, there was almost no coverage of the 'no' side, as ramshackle as it was), heavily-financed campaign (including by the EU directly!) bullied them into voting 'yes'. Appalling fearmongering tactics were used. I looked over the Irish politics websites at the time of the Lisbon campaign and the sheer deluge of 'vote yes' campaign material frightened even those who were actually going to vote that way.

There is a rising tide of opposition to the EU in many European countries - Denmark, the UK, Finland et al - and I can only see this continuing.

So if you believe in democracy, the EU isn't it.

Also being European means one is a xenophobe. Look at European history in the 20 th century it what I said will become quite clear. Europe has perfected mutual hatred since the collapse of the Roman Empire.

ruveyn

Probably even before that.
Look at the Vikings going everywhere they could - and not always in peace.

... Well, maybe not the Vikings since I believe it happens after the roman empire had left back to Italy (what we call Italy nowadays) but I'm with you on that idea, especially about the confederation of many (plenty of) countries which have a long history of hatred, yes, and also resentment and jalousies and forced marriages between people and families and... everything you can think of.

It's not easy to come to peace all together with such a history.

And also, on the contrary of the American confederation, think that we all speack different languages. It doesn't help to unit
It's more difficult to understand one another when you can't understand what is said (or written down).

That's seems like a pretty ridiculous thing to say. Am I a xenophobe because I don't want to United States and Mexico to enter into a union together?

The lines aren't really imaginary. Economic, cultural, and political lines are all quite real.

To finally cement the American Union, a war that killed 620,000 Americans and maimed another 1.5 million Americans was fought, the American Civil War, which the rebel Confederates called the War Against Yankee Aggression. And speaking the same language did not help that much. The country was divided because people dreamed different dreams.

ruveyn

It is not unreasonable to draw comparisons between the U.S. and the EU, and doing so does not indicate a lack of knowledge about the EU. Perhaps some Europeans could use a little education in early American history, when individual states had much greater political freedom than they do today. They even had their own currencies. EU members are using the euro now, yes? They're farther down the road to consolidation than they know.

Many are, many are not. And the ones that are using it are realising what a total and utter disaster it is.

There are 27 EU member states. Ten of those do not use the euro. They are: Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Sweden, and the United Kingdom (with Gibraltar).

It makes sense for the U.K. to keep its own currency, which is strong.
Some of those other countries....I don't know their reasoning. Romania, Latvia, Lithuania? I think they'd be better off trying the euro.

I am a dual citizen. I think that the E.U. can learn from the U.S. by not replacing free speech and thought with entitlements. I could write a long tirade about how it is trying to destroy Europe. It is like anyone will submit to that usurper as long as they receive the welfare they have become addicted to.

However I fully support regulations that would never let corporations escape the same moral standards as individuals. I mean in the U.S. there is even a law against divulging information about which chemicals enter groundwater as a result of hydrofracking. I will let that fact speak for itself. I also would not wish to see programs geared towards children and the elderly disappear because not everyone has a supportive family.