Are Jews Basically "Fellow Christians?"

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I doubt ruveyn is talking about ethnicity.

It must have come from some sort of Reader's Digest version of the Bible. The one that leaves out John 14.



Either you think the author of John was full of beans, or Jesus was, or that getting into heaven is something other than "com[ing] to the Father." Or you ignore the passage, and hope everyone else does, too. Or you do some amusing mental acrobatics, of what sort I cannot even begin to imagine, and claim both John is correct and Jews are still going to heaven. Despite the line in the sand Jesus apparently drew, one that I cannot imagine any practicing Jew would cross.

Kind of a pity Christian churches don't have that Mormon thingy of baptizing the dead. I suppose that would reconcile the two views. Though the Jews got a bit peeved when Mormons apparently began "baptizing" Holocaust victims, well, these things happen.

Hey, here's a thought: I wonder if Mormons ask themselves if Christians are basically "Fellow Mormons?" Makes at least as much logical sense as Christians saying Jews are basically fellow Christians, I'd say. Just without the Holy Underwear and Third Testament.



Personally, I find the idea about as entertaining as a good Soduku, though I guess without the final sense of accomplishment, since all loose ends are tied up with the game. But with all the religions that have emerged from the overflowing toilet of the middle east, nothing is ever really tied up, is it?

Certainly Christianity, Judaism and to a lesser extent Islam have just about zero in common with what is practiced today vs. what was practiced way back when. (e.g. when exactly did Bat Mitzvahs start again? Sometime in the 1920s, IIRC, at least in the US. To claim that Judaism is one bit less syncretized than Christianity is just, well, silly. Or will the Jews go back to slitting heifer's throats, blood gushing everywhere 'cuz that's what they did in the good ol' days, soon as they blow up that pesky mosque on the Dome of the Rock. Not to pick on Jews particularly, they're no worse than Christians. Maybe even a whisker better.)

In sum, I guess I would call this sort of thing this year's model of idiocy, and doubtless in a few years we'll get a new and different (but equally idiotic) model, as tastes and fashions change.

Pilate should've hired him as his doorman. Like the Ottoman Sultan did when confronted with the "Messiah" Sabbatai Zevi (wikipedia link) . Took the wind out of the sails of the whole movement...Or maybe the Sultan had learned something from history and decided a different path than Pilate's was called for. Certainly a Messianic doorman doesn't really resonate, does it?

I'm not going to get into the question of whether Christianity or Judaism are the true faith - I think a few tempers have become frayed already in the course of this discussion.
I just want to say that, while I know that Jews don't believe Christ is God, or in the Triune nature of God, I've always assumed that Jews would have much more respect for those Christians who hold to their own theology. I imagine most Jews would view the likes of Hagee and Pat Robertson in the same contempt for watering down their theology, in order to gain God's favor for being Pro-Israel, as I as a Lutheran and mainline Protestant is contemptuous of them.
I have to think even grumpy, Gentile-phobic ruveyn has to have more respect for us Christians who stick to our doctrine without being Antisemitic, than he would have for the holy rollers who want to get in good with the Jews, so they'll be remembered in the rapture.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Perhaps 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1 is better maths?

That is galling, isn't it?

ruveyn

That was the doing of the sinister Paul of Tarsus.

ruveyn

Positively not.

ruveyn

Many Unitarian Church buildings have a question mark "?" at the top of the steeple. Many of the U-U also pray to Whom It May Concern.

ruveyn

If the Moisheach came why are the Jews in such deep sh*t? Nowhere in the Prophets is a second coming predicted. Either the Moisheach came already and delivered on the promises or he did not come at all.

ruveyn

Very interesting. Thanks for that.

If Pontius Pilate hadn't crucified Jesus, then Christianity would have come to an end.

Well, given that about 1975 years of multiflavor Christian and derivative theologians have a ways to go understanding our scriptures, let alone the sum of yours plus ours, and that theologians attached to various Christian organizations daily produce new and recycled takataka, at least they are fairminded.

Of course, the cautions scholar might point out that coming to an understanding is not the same as UNDERSTANDING. How many times have our physicists and linguists and all claimed to understand sometghing that withing three decades was swept away?

וְהָיָה בַיּוֹם־הַהוּא נְאֻם־יְהוָה תִּקְרְאִי אִישִׁי וְלֹא־תִקְרְאִי־לִי עוֹד בַּעְלִי

maybe used to be? or wrongly called?

Far too near the bone to be funny.

To reiterate "As you no doubt know Baal / Bel بعل בעל ܒܥܠ is not technically a divine name, but the general ProtoSemitic word for "lord" Which in light of developments in the tradition is kind of cute." Check your Hebrew Etymological dictionary - do you have Klein? http://www.amazon.com/Comprehensive-Ety ... 371&sr=1-1 He's not at all bad.

Of course, the misunderstandings between the Jews and the speakers of other Canaanite dialect of West Semitic kind of affected the semantic development of בעל .

So, why did the followers of Yahweh feel so compelled to murder the followers of Baal?