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You can post all the articles and headlines you want about attacks on gays and if i felt like it i could dig up all the reports of attacks on others. Gays are not the only victims of violent crime.

The second item about job placement for minorities and women over white men; well, i can only say that your studies and articles do not match what I"m seeing in my company which is a huge aerospace company. I could go on for chapters about all the sex and race BS that i see in the real world.

On the last item you are partially correct but on the other hand partially wrong. Men have been painted as incompetent buffoons for so long that it's become an accepted if untrue fact.

Whatever, though. You have your facts and I have mine.

Reality is not determined democratically.

This is a nonsense assumption. I am a well known defender of traditional values around here, but this seems just cynical. Having been through this process. The courts take this assumption well past any reasonableness and I can say this from experience. There were no shortage of left-wing women to support my mother, who left my father for one of his friends (who did not like me and therefor made me know it with his fists... I was 10), the court made sure I stayed with my mother, kept me in that situation for 6 months. Then when my father finally received custody, the court broke up my family, they saw no reason why my sister should also come with me. So I remained with dad, my sister with mum and EVERY weekend I had to go back to my mother on a court mandated visit, where, surprise there was no responsibility for her new partner not to be there.... guess what happened?

I was taken there, screaming by heartbroken police officers, who wanted nothing more than to see that I remain safe with my dad.... because left wing feminist courts decided it was my mother's RIGHT.... sorry but the system is broken. Keep in mind, that I had to make over a dozen reports to substantiate the beatings I got from my step-father (bruises are expected on children apparently), while all it took from my mother was an unsubstantiated claim that my father had threatened her for him to charged.

It's determined by looking at the big picture, not just the parts of it that support our personal beliefs.

Yep, that’s about all it takes; the wife lies and emphatically states she’s afraid of her husband and fears for the safety of herself and the kids and he’s all the sudden so far up sh!t creek he’ll never get back to where he was.
And the whole time the wife is guiltier than sin.

Bingo. This is why there should be higher thresholds for domestic violence laws. Hurt feelings is no reason to take a person's constitutional rights to property away.

How long ago was that, 91? Courts used to have written policies of preferring that the mother keep the kids in a divorce; that is generally no longer the case. Try reading some of the links I provided, because my statement was not an 'assumption.'

when the data are consistently leaning one way in the particulars, the big picture generally leans the same way. Your particulars are demonstrably false; your big picture, therefore, is pretty damn questionable.

I am sure that this does happen, but it happens a hell of a lot less than the cases where the man is genuinely beating the s**t out of his wife and kids (or telling her that he will if she leaves).

But it's still not a reason to take a person's life away based on an unsubstantiated, vague claim of domestic violence

Not long enough. Changing the rules has not improved things as far as I can tell. Divorce courts are still dominated by the same thinking, pretending otherwise is foolishness.

Its crap to see innocent people raked over the coals for anything really. Suffice to say that supporting a notion of men's rights is not zero sum to say that we need to land grab more from women is bogus, its really about clarifying and defining. A bigger problem is that in pop culture as well we have little in the way of positive or properly introspective identity, in that sense and in the sense of helping men perhaps work on better learning environments for schooling and what not - I'm all for it.

I agree totally. IMO what went wrong in my case is that people had a zero sum mentality and decided that it was acceptable, on the whole, for people to fall through the gaps.

It means that if you don't get what it is supposed to mean, it is because you were born with such privilege that you are completely unaware of what is it to be discriminated against. Good for you, but try not to touch any of these topics as if you knew what you were talking about cause it makes you look like a bigot whereas you are just clueless about reality, and I know that it is not your fault that you are clueless about it because discrimination is something you have never really actually experienced, so it is quite easy for a person like you to feel that the other side is trying to take stuff away of you that you feel entitled to have. Statements like "gays asking for more protection than everyone else" are really telling.

And it sounds like you have some pretty big fantasies about how much the 'haves' actually have. That and I think, being an aspie site, pretty much anyone here has at least some idea of what its like to be persecuted. The notion that there are good'ol'boy country club aspies behind every conservative opinion is a little far out, albeit I understand - it's insulating to the beliefs that some people need to have about those who disagree with them.

"Not long enough" = less than a decade? How old are you?
If you don't think changing the laws to reflect equality was good enough, what would you propose?