Unbelievers:How do you explain all this?

Page 3 of 3 [ 43 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3

Previous topic | Next topic

blauSamstag
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 5 Apr 2011
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,026

16 Aug 2011, 7:46 pm

blunnet wrote:

Philologos wrote:

Real or not, visiting demons need to be taken seriously and handled with care.

Wether they are real or not?

Yes. The OP should seek the advice of a theologian or neurologist post-haste.

simon_says
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 20 Jan 2011
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,075

16 Aug 2011, 7:57 pm

Ive had sleep paralysis with a menacing presence before. Pretty freaky stuff. But so have millions of people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

Philologos
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Jan 2010
Age: 83
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,987

20 Aug 2011, 11:34 am

blunnet wrote:

Philologos wrote:

Real or not, visiting demons need to be taken seriously and handled with care.

Wether they are real or not?

Indeed. The person beset by perceived demons without physical or spiritual substance is as much in need of help and support as the one encountering genuine demons.

Vexcalibur
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 17 Jan 2008
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,398

20 Aug 2011, 1:22 pm

JohnyJohn wrote:

I, myself,don't need an explanation,i know the truth.

No. You don't.

Quote:

But these experiences are facts for God.One day i had a sleep paralysis(didn't even know what it was back then).A red guy(demon)came into my room from inside the door and tried to kill my with the sheets while i was laying in my bed.

You had sleep paralysis, ergo you were hallucinating, ergo that's the explanation.

I have sleep paralysis too. It is crap, but it is just that, sleep paralysis, it causes hallucinations and the events you experience during it are no more relevant (or "facts") than stuff that happens during dreams.

Quote:

I know the scientific 'explanation'.Yeah,they may say how the mechanism in brain works but that does not disprove anything

It... kind of does.

Quote:

Second fact.I saw satan,lucifer himself in a dream.

It's just a dream. I once dated Megan Fox in a dream. It didn't happen.

_________________
.

Zwapp
Tufted Titmouse

Joined: 20 Aug 2011
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 49
Location: Norway

21 Aug 2011, 4:26 pm

not sure where to start, but I'll give it a messy try.

have you ever seen "what the bleep do we know!?"
I'm not gonna claim I was left with complete clarity after that, but look at it this way:
the harder you try to unravel reality to find whatever truth may be found, the more bizarre and
complex it becomes, it is like trying to solve a puzzle where new pieces are constantly being added.

In the end, we are simply not able to comprehend reality as it truly is.
And for whatever reason, we have wrapped ourselves in an illusion of reality
Be it for reasons of chance, survival, or god is not important, what is important is that we
must accept the reality we percieve, because while it may be an illusion, it is not unimportant.

Once you have accepted how reality is on your terms, you can begin to accept the fact that not all
people have the same illusion of reality as you do, even up to the point of believing in god to be an impossibility.
That does not mean there is no universal truth behind it all, you can call it god if you like.

I say all this nonsense because in the end, we cannot truly know how another individual percieves reality.
Because of that, all we can do is live on our own terms and respect those of others.

I will not say that your experiences are not real, nor will I say they are.
In the end, believe in yourself, your experiences, real or not, are yours, they are important.
Don't try to force your belief onto others, though telling them what you belive is alright.
Also, listen to (and consider) what they believe aswell.

I hope this helped in some way, I feel like the finishing touch of what I wrote is missing.
The way I see it, seeing a psychiatrist couldn't hurt, but if the experiences aren't limiting your daily life then
it's all ok I guess.

LiendaBalla
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 23 Oct 2007
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,736

21 Aug 2011, 6:11 pm

I had a deep dream that I couldn't wake up from or move in to. Some wierdo with sandals told me to convert or burn in hell. One of his happy light friends was smacking me across the eyes with some annoying light bar to. WTF?! oh, and the demons were on the Grade school jungle jym in the form of Lepricon children. One of them was trying to recruit me, even though it seemed like they would betray me if it was useful for them. Those dreams were messed up, but so was my mind at the time.

Scytholder
Hummingbird

Joined: 25 Jul 2011
Age: 185
Gender: Male
Posts: 20

22 Aug 2011, 11:22 pm

JohnyJohn wrote:

I, myself,don't need an explanation,i know the truth.But these experiences are facts for God.One day i had a sleep paralysis(didn't even know what it was back then).A red guy(demon)came into my room from inside the door and tried to kill my with the sheets while i was laying in my bed.I know the scientific 'explanation'.Yeah,they may say how the mechanism in brain works but that does not disprove anything.Humans are creatures with flesh and souls.So when this thing happens in the brain,human's spiritual eyes open and see the spirit world,mostly of demons.You know that eastern religions have techniques to do things liek this,right?.Another proof.Also you know when Apostle Paul when transcended to heaven and he did not even knew back then if it was with his body or spirit only.But he went to the land of the Righteous,not of the demons.Anyway,if it was just a dream that i was seeing in the physical world because of what happened then how can a person from a dream knew where the door was,me,the exact position of the bed and wanted to kill me??It seemed like a logical being with reason to me.It was.How can a dream do all that?

It's, as you said, a sleep paralysis experience. Nothing supernatural. This is all going on inside your own brain. That's how that "guy" knew about the door and about the exact position of the bed. You are the "source" of his "knowledge".

Quote:

Second fact.I saw satan,lucifer himself in a dream.When i was an unbeliever.Ok,i know you are going to say excuses like 'subconscious','you wanted to see it','you had it long time in your mind',but these things are false.I did not wanted any of these things nor i had it in my subconscious.I saw him,he was black colored,a tail,eyes in the shape of triangle,white.He was laughing.A voice said to me ''Go over there he is satan''.I said ''Why?''.He was seeing me and laughing.He(satan) then asked ''Is he an atheist?''.A voice answered ''Yeah,<my name>is an atheist''.He laughed again,you know with this evil laugh.I went near him and he punched me in the face and i woke up in the physical world and my head got back.

It's called a nightmare. No need to turn your experiences into something bigger than they really are.

Blueladymare
Butterfly

Joined: 17 Aug 2010
Gender: Female
Posts: 13
Location: Washington

23 Aug 2011, 11:12 pm

If he saw satan I believe him. Demons have a place on this earth and they are evil. I would say get help from a preist or someone like that.

I have studyed things like this and its not something you can brush off.

Obres
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 13 Jul 2007
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,423
Location: NYC

23 Aug 2011, 11:23 pm

I've flown around shooting lasers from my eyes and had orgies with supermodels in my dreams. Aside from the obvious that my dreams are much better than yours, what do you expect a dream to prove?

Cornflake
Administrator