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Do you know why? He sounds reasonable. That is why.

American Politics is theater of the absurd.

ruveyn

How is balancing the Federal Budget for the 4 straight years being a failure. If that's your definition of being a failure looks like you got your definitions mixed up. Huntsman in my opinion is a total moron as is Ron Paul when it comes to foreign policy.

Despite it being unpopular, we need to keep working to rebuild Iraq and stabilize Afghanistan. The reason being, is if we pull out too soon we leave power vacuums that will be filled by Iran and Al Qaeda.

What I was noticing about Newt Gingrich, is his ability to unite the candidates, and get them to follow his lead to an extent already. He has an ability to lead and has demonstrated that ability, which is a step above Perry, Huntsman, Paul, and Romney.



How do you think Obama got elected, though I don't think it will work this time.


Anyways, everyone screaming how Huntsman and Ron Paul are right about us withdrawing from Afghanistan and Iraq are total idiots. It's easy to slip to into isolationism, but fact is this isn't the 1800s, where it took weeks or months to get across the Atlantic Ocean. The reason that after 9/11 there wasn't a successful terrorist attack while Bush was in office in the US, is because of the fact we kept the terror groups off balance, by taking the fight to them.

While the media is crowing about how we should just bring our troops home and let the rest of the world burn, you guys need to get that through your head it is just plain stupidity. We are fighting people that want to kill us, that think they get 72 virgins to be their sex slaves for killing "infidels."

Are the things I like about Huntsman, sure, but I don't think he would be a good President, a good secretary of state sure.


@ Orwell

Newt's idea about vouchers is a good one, because private schools are doing better than public ones at actually educating youngsters.

Allowing School Prayer isn't a bad idea either, as long as it doesn't specify which religion to follow. Atheist kids could choose to opt out.

Encouraging middle schoolers into studying math (which you call bribing) actually does make sense because it gives kids a tangible reward associated with doing well in Math.

@ Master_Pedant

If you consider Orwell to be right wing, I am guessing the people you consider to be left wing need to be locked up in a psych ward.

They're both much smarter than you.




That might explain the fat ret*d's polygamy and adulteries.




Both of them are infinitely smarter than you. You have no business smearing these two candidates nor their supporters.



Huntsmen doesn't have a chance of winning the Republican nomination. The reason being that he is much too intellectual for the Republican party. He let it slip that he speaks Mandarin fluently. Most Republicans will jump to the conclusion that he was born in some country called "Mandar", and thus isn't fit to be president.



Stop with the stupid smear campaigns already.

@ pandabear

http://video.foxnews.com/v/110606316200 ... ar-weapon/

Sorry but Ron Paul just doesn't get it.

He raises some valid points.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zcElqetqk[/youtube]

Considering they seem to want to actually use Nuclear Weapons, I really don't think so.

At least Ron Paul isn't gay

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7RnlPQCKBQ&feature=related[/youtube]

Rick Perry would have responded very differently in the situation.

I've already pointed out that I don't like Rick Perry either.

There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded. There essentially no more Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. All the our occupation over there has given us is 5,000 of our troops coming home in boxes, thousands more maimed physically and mentally, hundreds of thousands of civilian causalities, and trillions upon trillions of dollars. What is it going to get us? Absolutely nothing except generations of resentment in the Muslim world. We create almost all of foreign policy problems by our meddling in other countries. It's not isolationism to not believe in perpetual war, anyone that says that is either stupid or knowingly disingenuous.

You sound like you have a really poor understanding of the motivations of Al-Qaeda, you should watch the documentary "My Trip To Al-Qaeda" by Lawrence Wright. I saw it on HBO a while ago, it dives into the origin, motivations, and psychology of Al-Qaeda. I found it really insightful.

If you get such a hard on for killing jihadis and have no problem with candidates being statists then what is your problem with Obama? Obama is pretty much the ultimate neocon. I'm glad people dislike Obama and his policies but it seems like a good portion of people don't realize his policies differ little from George W. Bush

yes but it allows a pathway for many into a vocational school or into the workplace. To be able to graduate high school as a sophmore, and be able to then take that money that the state would have spent on the next to years of your high-schooling to the college of your choice would do a good many a lot of favors. It rewards responsible hardworking types with a leg up and besides, it is their money.

Plus he was running the pro-math&sciences and just a more well layed-out approach to education campaign back in 2008 and it seems he is the only candidate who has that as a defining element of his campaign. Barack Obama hasn't done shat for education other then assure college professors a lifetime of employment. I'm not saying Newt is right on all counts, but no Democrat or Republican in 2007 or in 2011 has seemed more dedicated to education(particularly the Maths and Sciences) as our competitive edge in the world as Newt has, to the point that he's made it one of the top subjects he brings up at every campus speech or fundraising dinner he attends.

The world has always gotten a free ride from our economic growth and american innovation. We brought china from a country that was almost 90% dirt poor to a country that is now the 4th most powerful on earth, and in 4 years, they will have lifted 40-50% or more of their nation's inhabitants out of poverty and into the middle class or higher standing. India's doctors and engineers used to rot on the docks hoping for the opportunity for a better life in America, now the are one of the leading nations qualifying for H1B work visas and power tech and education hubs from Raleigh to Silicon Valley to the Texas Triangle and a growing section of our middle class and upper middle class, and our wiring up the world with internet has allowed everyone with an internet connection a more equal footing. The math and sciences have helped this along more then anything, and every nation, though still dependent on US innovation, US corporations for employment, and US consumerism, is looking for economic polarities as well as independence where its future in a global framework is more in its own hands then that of the US. To retain that grasp (which is slipping away very fast), we need a president places a national priority on that.

Gingrich is the only one who seems to give this any acknowledgement at the debates and at the many speeches he's given over the last 6 years. My vote is still for Romney as Obama will have no chance of winning 2012 if he gets the nomination, but Gingrich does have a perspective that I wish the GOP and DNC would adopt.

Jon Huntsman, who has served his country as an ambassador, is a moron on foreign policy? You watch your words there. You're just embarrassing yourself.

Besides, you should be in favor of Huntsman's pro-Israel and tough on North Korea foreign policy stances.


Huntsman is lightyears away from being an isolationist.


Some form of a voucher system may or may not be worth considering; I won't deny that. However, the specific details of every voucher system proposed or implemented in US education thus far has been a disaster. Typically what happens is that they take poor school districts and bleed them dry even further so they have no chance of getting their act together, and the vouchers aren't sufficient to cover the full cost of tuition at a private school so the poor get shafted even worse while the upper-middle-class fills up the nicer schools.


My school had "moments of silence" on a fairly regular basis, and of course everyone understood that they really meant "this is the time where you can pray." I have no objection to that, as long as it goes no further. The Culture Warriors want to take it further, and that leads us to a dangerous place.


Did you read the wiki article I linked? The effect of bribing kids into studying math and science would have the exact opposite effect that Gingrich has claimed (in other quotes) to be aiming for.


Um... on economic issues I am relatively right-wing. Even in the American context (and America looks like an anarchist asylum next to the rest of the developed world), the economic policies I support are right of center if you look at actual polling data.

I'm not going to defend anyone else's education stances/records. I know Obama has done relatively little for education (although he has made some slight improvements in how student loans are handled).

We definitely do need to make it easier for qualified and educated foreigners (especially if they got their education in America) to come to and stay in America where they will contribute to our economy.