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16 Sep 2011, 4:27 am

Tadzio wrote:
Those self-evident truths involve inalienable (spelling "unalienable" is "more historical" for "free" bricklayers" and that guy squeezed into the Pyramid, with little room to more than a Cyclops' peek out) stuff, stuff that is often voided based on Asperger's Syndrome without a very good ACLU lawyer that's not afraid of judges stuck in Hemlock Plato's Gun Toting Gang of 30 Republic of Top 1% Wealth Rules:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/us/19 ... =cse&scp=5

With autism, such as Cruise-Lines, Bingo, etc. are all too dangerous also for the Public Good of Non-Entitlements by the elite American commoner so desperate as to suck tea bags or not.

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Right on, good correction. With my dyslexia I'm surprised I can find my ass with two hands most of the time.



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16 Sep 2011, 4:37 am

Tadzio wrote:
Those self-evident truths involve inalienable (spelling "unalienable" is "more historical" for "free" bricklayers" and that guy squeezed into the Pyramid, with little room to more than a Cyclops' peek out) stuff, stuff that is often voided based on Asperger's Syndrome without a very good ACLU lawyer that's not afraid of judges stuck in Hemlock Plato's Gun Toting Gang of 30 Republic of Top 1% Wealth Rules:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/us/19 ... =cse&scp=5

With autism, such as Cruise-Lines, Bingo, etc. are all too dangerous also for the Public Good of Non-Entitlements by the elite American commoner so desperate as to suck tea bags or not.

Tadzio


And so to, that is why unalienable rights were worded as such to separate any reference to Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, in which he worded it as inalienable rights.



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16 Sep 2011, 4:57 am

Which way is which, but a lifeless circle, and the stupid snake who is dangerous for humans to tread on has bitten it's own tail with full venom?

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He was barred from voting because he cannot manage his own affairs. Not because of Asperger's, bipolar, or a brain injury specifically. It's probably a good idea to screen them for competency if they lose any other rights. They may vote to try and promote something that best serves a malicious purpose, they might base their votes on something completely detached from reality or because voices told them to, or others may use them to stuff the ballot box. I wish I knew where the article went, but in 2008 there was a group home for the moderately ret*d somewhere in the midwest where the director registered them to vote, trained them all to pick liberal causes, and then took them to the polling place. It was discovered when some families filed a complaint. Like I said in an earlier posts, exercising a right requires the mental development to be capable of using it.

On a side note, I think that was great that the ACLU had to defend the ballots of involuntary long term mental patients and the ret*d to protect some democrats' election chances. :lol: :P :mrgreen:



Oh NO!! ! The SAME VOICE AS THE Boston Tea Baggers heard from the Sky??

Ron Paul supporters will be terrified if this goes through:
http://www.jacklacton.com/2007/06/ron-p ... ified.html

Oh sure, it's not because of the impairment, it's because of the effects of the impairment, like the downpour of prejudice from all the know-it-all Archie Bunkers about Asperger's Syndrome.

Well, rewrite history too, much more than a tweak:
http://www.freedomadvocates.org/article ... 090805368/

It ain't all the snakes' fault, "it's the Gods' fault" will be the next story heard when the snakes slither for cover.

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16 Sep 2011, 12:01 pm

Fnord wrote:
Rights are granted; privileges are earned.

Governments grant rights, or assume that certain rights are "inalienable" and/or "granted by God". Common rights are life, privacy, personal expression by speech and/or writing; freedom from unwarranted arrest, right to a speedy and fair trial, and freedom from incarceration and/or cruel and unusual punishment, and personal choice of belief, religion, recreation, political affiliation, and travel.

Privileges are granted by authoritative bodies after certain prerequisite conditions are met, such as certified training, payment of fees, or military service. Common privileges include, but are not limited to: admission to university, licenses to operate a plane or ground vehicle, permits to hunt or camp on public land, employment in a private or public corporation, memberships in clubs or other associations, financial grants and loans.

Again, rights are granted; privileges are earned. It is wise to never confuse the two.


Your distinction is both insufficient and simplistic.

A right is an entitlement, recognized at law, and enforcable in courts of law. (As distinct from courts of equity--an obsolete distinction in most, but not all, common law jurisdictions).

Rights may be conferred in a wide variety of ways. When I lease a piece of property to a tenant, I grant that tenant a legal right to occupy that property. A tenant's right to possession has been recognized as a "right" in Common Law for at least 8 centuries. When a tenant takes possession of property, that tenant acquires a right to quiet enjoyment (that's the basis of an occupier's capacity to sue for nuisance). When two parents seek to dissolve their marriage, the child has a right of access to both parents.

So we see rights conferred by contract (occupancy), by common law (quiet enjoyment) and by statute (access). Constitutional right are another type of statutory right.

Inalienability is not an aspect of right. An tenant loses the right to occupy land upon failure to honour the obligations in the lease. A tenant's right to quite enjoyment is alienated by the state's authority to undertake public works. A child's right to access is alienated by reaching the age of majority. Even the so-called inalienable rights are subject to infringement by operation of law.

A privilege is an immunity from the law that accrues to a class of persons on the basis of certain conditions. Solicitors are immune from subpoena and compulsion to testify regarding communications between them and their individual clients in anticipation of litigation (solicitor-client privilege). Spouses are immune from subpoena and compulsion in criminal matters (spousal privilege). The operation of equity will, in some cases, estop the exercise of legal rights, granting privilege to the beneficiary of the estoppel.

A license (the word you should be using) is a conferral of permission that makes an activity that would otherwise be unlawful, lawful (i.e. licit). In the absence of a license to practice medicine, it is unlawful so to do. In the absence of a driving license, it is unlawful to operate a motor vehicle. In the absence of a license it is unlawful to make copies of a copywrited work or make use of a patented device or process.


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16 Sep 2011, 2:40 pm

^ That seems to make more sense, but in a complicated way.

This also relates to a nearby thread on morality, in that both "Morality" and "Rights" are defined by consensus, granted and enforced by authority, and are not in any way a by-product of any universally natural force or principle.

What has been deemed "Inalienable"/"Unalienable", may be taken away at any time without warning or valid reason.


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