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25 Jun 2012, 6:34 pm

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I think an agreed upon definition of what fascism means is needed in this discussion:

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fascism (usually uncountable; plural fascisms)
(historical) A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. Originally only applied (usually capitalized) to Benito Mussolini's Italy.


http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fascism


Considering that the far right gets away with the most blatantly disrespectful attacks on President Obama, it's obvious we don't live in a fascist state where "criticism or opposition" of the government would otherwise be crushed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Unfortunately, that is the only descriptor in the definition that does not fit the current state of the US.


I hardly think we're becoming a fascist state, but we certainly are transforming rapidly into an oligarchical plutocracy.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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25 Jun 2012, 7:00 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JWC wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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I think an agreed upon definition of what fascism means is needed in this discussion:

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Noun
fascism (usually uncountable; plural fascisms)
(historical) A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. Originally only applied (usually capitalized) to Benito Mussolini's Italy.


http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fascism


Considering that the far right gets away with the most blatantly disrespectful attacks on President Obama, it's obvious we don't live in a fascist state where "criticism or opposition" of the government would otherwise be crushed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Unfortunately, that is the only descriptor in the definition that does not fit the current state of the US.


I hardly think we're becoming a fascist state, but we certainly are transforming rapidly into an oligarchical plutocracy.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Well, let's go down the list:

1. totalitarian aspirations - not blatantly from either side of the aisle....yet.
2. ideology based on a relationship between business and centralized govt. - R's and D's both definitely into that.
3. business and gov't control of the market place - check (both parties)
4. repression of criticism or opposition - not yet. at least not on a grand scale.
5. a leader cult - definitely. a little bit more from the left currently, but the right certainly isn't above it.
6. exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. - the left posits that society is more important than the individual and criticizes it's detractors as "rugged individualists" (which, to anyone with a self esteem, is a compliment). the right puts religious values above all else and decries the "godless atheists" of the left.



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25 Jun 2012, 7:14 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I think an agreed upon definition of what fascism means is needed in this discussion:

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Noun
fascism (usually uncountable; plural fascisms)
(historical) A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. Originally only applied (usually capitalized) to Benito Mussolini's Italy.


http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fascism


Considering that the far right gets away with the most blatantly disrespectful attacks on President Obama, it's obvious we don't live in a fascist state where "criticism or opposition" of the government would otherwise be crushed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Umm........I guess some of us have conveniently forgotten the disrespectful attacks against the last president from the left.
Then there's the hysterical comparisons of that administration to the 3rd reich and even the sith............... :roll:



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25 Jun 2012, 7:21 pm

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Umm........I guess some of us have conveniently forgotten the disrespectful attacks against the last president from the left.
Then there's the hysterical comparisons of that administration to the 3rd reich and even the sith............... :roll:


Really?

That is ridiculous, Bush lacked the coordination to swallow a pretzel, how much self harm do you think he would do with a lightsaber?

:wink:



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25 Jun 2012, 7:32 pm

DC wrote:
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Umm........I guess some of us have conveniently forgotten the disrespectful attacks against the last president from the left.
Then there's the hysterical comparisons of that administration to the 3rd reich and even the sith............... :roll:


Really?

That is ridiculous, Bush lacked the coordination to swallow a pretzel, how much self harm do you think he would do with a lightsaber?

:wink:


You'd have to ask the liberals.
I remember them carrying on about this when Star Wars Revenge of the Sith was in theaters in '05.
It was insane!



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25 Jun 2012, 7:44 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Umm........I guess some of us have conveniently forgotten the disrespectful attacks against the last president from the left.
Then there's the hysterical comparisons of that administration to the 3rd reich and even the sith............... :roll:


Really?

That is ridiculous, Bush lacked the coordination to swallow a pretzel, how much self harm do you think he would do with a lightsaber?

:wink:


You'd have to ask the liberals.
I remember them carrying on about this when Star Wars Revenge of the Sith was in theaters in '05.
It was insane!


The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


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25 Jun 2012, 7:59 pm

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The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


To be fair, I remember laughing at the pictures of Bush's silly faces and monkeys pulling the same face.

When the right did the same thing to Michelle Obama, the left leaning press seemed to go into meltdown about it.

Freedom of speech cuts both ways...



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25 Jun 2012, 8:00 pm

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The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


To be fair, I remember laughing at the pictures of Bush's silly faces and monkeys pulling the same face.

When the right did the same thing to Michelle Obama, the left leaning press seemed to go into meltdown about it.

Freedom of speech cuts both ways...


I am not approving or disapproving of it, just pointing out something I find amusing about this particular item of satire


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25 Jun 2012, 8:23 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
DC wrote:
Raptor wrote:

Umm........I guess some of us have conveniently forgotten the disrespectful attacks against the last president from the left.
Then there's the hysterical comparisons of that administration to the 3rd reich and even the sith............... :roll:


Really?

That is ridiculous, Bush lacked the coordination to swallow a pretzel, how much self harm do you think he would do with a lightsaber?

:wink:


You'd have to ask the liberals.
I remember them carrying on about this when Star Wars Revenge of the Sith was in theaters in '05.
It was insane!


The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


You mean jokes like the ones directed towards Governor Palin's youngest daughter... I spose liberals also find SWATTING funny too.



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25 Jun 2012, 8:27 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
DC wrote:
Raptor wrote:

Umm........I guess some of us have conveniently forgotten the disrespectful attacks against the last president from the left.
Then there's the hysterical comparisons of that administration to the 3rd reich and even the sith............... :roll:


Really?

That is ridiculous, Bush lacked the coordination to swallow a pretzel, how much self harm do you think he would do with a lightsaber?

:wink:


You'd have to ask the liberals.
I remember them carrying on about this when Star Wars Revenge of the Sith was in theaters in '05.
It was insane!


The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


You mean jokes like the ones directed towards Governor Palin's youngest daughter... I spose liberals also find SWATTING funny too.


What jokes were those? Do you have some jokes about Mrs. Palin swatting her daughters?



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25 Jun 2012, 8:31 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
DC wrote:
Raptor wrote:

Umm........I guess some of us have conveniently forgotten the disrespectful attacks against the last president from the left.
Then there's the hysterical comparisons of that administration to the 3rd reich and even the sith............... :roll:


Really?

That is ridiculous, Bush lacked the coordination to swallow a pretzel, how much self harm do you think he would do with a lightsaber?

:wink:


You'd have to ask the liberals.
I remember them carrying on about this when Star Wars Revenge of the Sith was in theaters in '05.
It was insane!


The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


You mean jokes like the ones directed towards Governor Palin's youngest daughter... I spose liberals also find SWATTING funny too.


What jokes were those? Do you have some jokes about Mrs. Palin swatting her daughters?


Do Liberals have a short memory... The "joke" literally involved what is basically statutory rape...

The SWATTING reference, has to do with Conservative Bloggers being targetted by liberals whom make prank calls to police to get SWAT teams to show up at the blogger's house thinking there had been a shooting.



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25 Jun 2012, 8:54 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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DC wrote:
Raptor wrote:

Umm........I guess some of us have conveniently forgotten the disrespectful attacks against the last president from the left.
Then there's the hysterical comparisons of that administration to the 3rd reich and even the sith............... :roll:


Really?

That is ridiculous, Bush lacked the coordination to swallow a pretzel, how much self harm do you think he would do with a lightsaber?

:wink:


You'd have to ask the liberals.
I remember them carrying on about this when Star Wars Revenge of the Sith was in theaters in '05.
It was insane!


The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


No, that's the degree of hysteria the left was spouting at the time. It can't be undone or written off as a joke now.
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25 Jun 2012, 9:07 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


You mean jokes like the ones directed towards Governor Palin's youngest daughter... I spose liberals also find SWATTING funny too.


Palin is a dishonest, dimwitted theofascist hypocrite who may be pushing an impressive 70 in the IQ department.

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No, that's the degree of hysteria the left was spouting at the time. It can't be undone or written off as a joke now.
You all made your bed now lay in it......


Whatever station you watch sensationalized that story, spinning a piece of comedic satire into some lame controversy, probably because they had little else to report on that was newsworthy. "Ooh!! Liberals are hysteria-driven, they're comparing Bush to the Sith!!" Meanwhile it is apparently not a hysterical reaction to invade a country based on weak, faulty intelligence, that had nothing to do with the terror attacks that caused such alarmism to become the status quo in America


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25 Jun 2012, 9:16 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


You mean jokes like the ones directed towards Governor Palin's youngest daughter... I spose liberals also find SWATTING funny too.


Palin is a dishonest, dimwitted theofascist hypocrite who may be pushing an impressive 70 in the IQ department.


:roll: Thank you for proving my point about liberals.

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No, that's the degree of hysteria the left was spouting at the time. It can't be undone or written off as a joke now.
You all made your bed now lay in it......


Whatever station you watch sensationalized that story, spinning a piece of comedic satire into some lame controversy, probably because they had little else to report on that was newsworthy. "Ooh!! Liberals are hysteria-driven, they're comparing Bush to the Sith!!" Meanwhile it is apparently not a hysterical reaction to invade a country based on weak, faulty intelligence, that had nothing to do with the terror attacks that caused such alarmism to become the status quo in America


:roll:

Dude, when the left acted with the level of hysteria that they did when Bush was President, it is rather blatently obvious that they honestly believed what they were spewing.



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25 Jun 2012, 10:35 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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The best part about those absurd comparisons was not that they were jokes, but that they were jokes that soared way above the heads of simple minded partisans who years later bring them up as if they matter


You mean jokes like the ones directed towards Governor Palin's youngest daughter... I spose liberals also find SWATTING funny too.


Palin is a dishonest, dimwitted theofascist hypocrite who may be pushing an impressive 70 in the IQ department.

Raptor wrote:
No, that's the degree of hysteria the left was spouting at the time. It can't be undone or written off as a joke now.
You all made your bed now lay in it......


Whatever station you watch sensationalized that story, spinning a piece of comedic satire into some lame controversy, probably because they had little else to report on that was newsworthy. "Ooh!! Liberals are hysteria-driven, they're comparing Bush to the Sith!!" Meanwhile it is apparently not a hysterical reaction to invade a country based on weak, faulty intelligence, that had nothing to do with the terror attacks that caused such alarmism to become the status quo in America


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Whatever station you watch sensationalized that story, spinning a piece of comedic satire into some lame controversy, probably because they had little else to report on that was newsworthy.

You mean like CNN or MSNBC? Lameness and valueless journalism is their MO.

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"Ooh!! Liberals are hysteria-driven, they're comparing Bush to the Sith!!

We were more humored by it than anything. The kind of humor one usually enjoys when listening to blithering idiots make fools of themselves. Laugh but at the same time be thankful I'm not neurotic and hysterical.

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Meanwhile it is apparently not a hysterical reaction to invade a country based on weak, faulty intelligence, that had nothing to do with the terror attacks that caused such alarmism to become the status quo in America.

All the ant-American ranting from you and your two boys M_P and visagrunt has given me an idea:
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Maybe we should liberate Canada next.........



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25 Jun 2012, 10:46 pm

and that is (partly) why there are anti american sentiments around the world.


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